Will Bot's ever be punished?

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

Yeah, I'm a normal, hard working north america citizen who can hardly pay for his college tuition, yet alone his student loans but I own a robot which cooks, cleans, cuts the lawn, washes the car, the dishes, folds the cloths, fetches the mail and walks the dog. It's okay, i'm not like 'them', I'm only your normal every day person.




Well well, you can either be with them or against them. Knowledge is half the battle and it's power to use as you wish...

I don't have to tell you whether your right or wrong, there's a 'user agreement' for that.

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Am i the only person that did not understand at all the sarcasm in this post?

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

Should just create a server to isolate RMT, Bots or suspected Bots until a full investigation is complete. win/win

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doesnt work, since anyone can be accused and thus suspected, and youd be ripping them away from the game they play with others

hitting bots isnt worth hitting innocent people in the process

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

Should just create a server to isolate RMT, Bots or suspected Bots until a full investigation is complete. win/win

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RMTs will only go where people will buy there items / gil so they will ALWAYS be on normal servers,

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Originally Posted by Fear

RMTs will only go where people will buy there items / gil so they will ALWAYS be on normal servers,

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you didnt understand what hes asking

hes saying take anyone whos suspected or even reported, and remove them from their current server and put them on another one while they are investigated


which doesnt work, the idea is full of tons of holes, and extremely unfair to those who are accused out of spite(itl happen)

I did understand but I was just stating that even if you moved them they'll either transfer back or create new characters / accounts.

RMTs and Botters will always exist, the only thing to do is try to make things need an actual input, even if it means having to dodge monsters.

I akin botting to ye olde electronik piracy. A user might justify their actions in one way or another. They might not believe their actions impact others. But in the end, it's not yourself or your peers you need to convince, but the enforcers.

Enforcers named Harry Callahan and Don Marshall.

Here is the issue, with a good group u can get 50 everything in a week...

What do you do from there... craft.
People hate crafting.

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Originally Posted by Seth_Ahriman

Here is the issue, with a good group u can get 50 everything in a week...

What do you do from there... craft.
People hate crafting.

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thats not a good reason

"people bot because people hate crafting"

if you hate it, dont do it
cheating is still not acceptable

No one care about having a good reason or not, or about what is acceptable or not. DEVs feed you with stupid and repetitive things (hurr durr press enter to win!), players circumvent that. It's not hard to understand. I'm not defending cheaters here but rather pointing out that the issue is coming from the design itself rather than the players.

Fix the design => cheaters are gone.
Keep complaining about how bad cheating is, how unacceptable it is etc. => cheaters don't care.

And banning everyone doesn't work anyway. We've seen it with XI, even when SE banned tons of RMT and such between 2007~2009, they still remain in-game as of today. XI is plagued with cheaters, could it be normal players or RMTs.

Another good XI example that isn't crafting related but clearly show how a bad design turns "normal users" into cheaters, Nyzul. Current Nyzul is just barely possible to win without the use of third party tools (could it be speedhacking, fill mode hack (see through walls) etc.), victory is highly based on luck. What are a lot of players doing? Using tools to increase their victory rate.

Bad design lead to massive cheating. Fix the root of the problem rather than its consequences.

I suppose you have a job in real life right? What are you getting paid for? To perform a task only a human can do I hope (or which would cost too much if done by a machine). If what you are doing on a daily basis could be done by a simple software, would your boss keep paying you? No. It should be the same with XIV and MMO to an extent. Reward players for things they accomplish, things that can only be done with the power of a human brain and not by some stupid script.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

This needs to be corrected: FFXIV's economy is nothing like FFXI's. For the most part, RMT can be bypassed completely in this game.

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RMT can be bypassed in any game, by actually playing it. Doing business with RMT companies is never a necessity. It's always a choice - the claims of some that "the game forces them to do it" notwithstanding. A game doesn't force you to do anything, up to and including playing it at all.

The problem is there are people who are more interested in finding ways to progress by not playing the game (RMT, hacking, botting, buying power-leveling services, etc). Those people become the RMT's steady customers, keeping them in business, and keeping them coming back to the game no matter how often they're banned. So long as there are people who are willing to give those people business, you'll see them in-game.

SE did a great job with combatting it via their task force in FFXI, once they dug in and decided to get serious about it. The Getting Serious part is what took them a while. Hopefully they'll be more on top of it in XIV.