Removal of Piety and Tenacity for Endwalker

I saw one thing they can do in order to make Tenacity/piety interresting again...

Making Determination a Role Stat for DPS.

But do not take me wrong, something as to change too and some not

Let's assume something like this :

Tenacity (Tank) : Reduce incoming Damage, Increase damage dealt and Selfhealing ability.
Determination (DPS) : Increase Damage Dealt (Scale more quickly than Tenacity or Piety, in order to make DPS Really different offensively)
Piety (Heal) : Increase the Mana Regen, Increase Damage and Heal dealt

With something like that, Those stat can get utility again (At least more than now)

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

I saw one thing they can do in order to make Tenacity/piety interresting again...

Making Determination a Role Stat for DPS.

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No, direct hit is already supposed to be the DD role stat. Contemporary tank and healer gear do not include direct hit at all. They shouldn't benefit from direct hit melds.

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Originally Posted by Timmyftw

Not a suggestion for final builds, but an alternative to piety while progressing. I still say piety is pointless in final builds as it will not help you do any more damage.
Almost feels like everyone wants Healers to handhold the party and fix mistakes others make, why not just change the role title to babysitter.
But what Vitality would do is allow you to survive one extra hit.
A dead healer isn't going to help you regardless of how much piety they have.

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They. already.added.vitality.to.accessories.

All the vitality you could have possibly melded, they added. If you die after all that extra vitality, that's a you problem, not a game problem.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

All the vitality you could have possibly melded, they added. If you die after all that extra vitality, that's a you problem, not a game problem.

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Yet it's a healer's job to raise you when you die?
We could just say it's a you problem and let you lay on the floor.

I would rather them just flat out just give the gear the max attribute stats up front and make materia for job actions/ job traits and cap them so can't stack. /Shrugs

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Originally Posted by Tlachtga

we'd just meld det in that case.

piety and ten just aren't needed given how easy the content is nowadays.

with all the dumb ilvl syncs SE puts on their lvl80 content, it pretty much removes your DH anyway

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They can do both.... make Direct Hit DPS exclusive and make piety/tenacity basically the same as determination + benefits.

They can make tank tenacity increase damage equally to how much you get from determination but also gives you that extra defense and healing as you already get making it strictly better than using determination. Likewise they can make piety also operate identically to determination on healers, but also give you that increased mana regen. Even if you don't explicitly NEED those extra stats, you can still use your role specific materia because why wouldn't you? (unless you're trying to challenge yourself I guess?)

Having a forum alt is not unheard of.

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Originally Posted by Timmyftw

Take your own advice when you mentioned, parsing numbers, spinning bosses, and now make more assumptions.
Also I never said I was taking aggro unintentionally, it's very much intentional, otherwise I'd turn tank stance off.
If you maintain top enmity, you are the main tank now. That is just how it is.

Regardless, the consensus seems to be,
Tenacity and Piety should give damage bonuses higher or equal to a dps stat like Direct Hit, Critical, or Determination,
Otherwise we'll never meld Tenacity or Piety given the choice at end game.
Or rip out the whole materia system and overhaul it.

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•Never Said anything about parsing
•Never said anything about spinning bosses
•Maintaining top emnity does not make you the main tank, that's not just how it is

I thought your intellectual dishonesty was unintentional but I now realize how very wrong I was based on some of the outlandish stuff you've typed. I suppose it's my fault for talking with an alt.
If you're a troll, good job. If not, maybe look at taking a different perspective in life.

so let me get this straight: timmyftw accuses zedxkayn of horrendous behaviour in their attempt to deflect from their posts and arguments being proven wrong and when zedxkayn defends herself, she gets banned for it? gcbtw! hope you banned timmyftw too for the various accusations towards zed

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

so let me get this straight: timmyftw accuses zedxkayn of horrendous behaviour in their attempt to deflect from their posts and arguments being proven wrong and when zedxkayn defends herself, she gets banned for it? gcbtw! hope you banned timmyftw too for the various accusations towards zed

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Yikers.
And the worst part is this thread still isn't locked and you won't be able to see all the asinine stuff that was being said.