Mentor needs to mean something again

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having to burn 30+ minutes in an extreme trial explaining mechanics then not getting so much as a single commendation for it is rather vexing.

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I get more coms queue'ing as a healer for roulettes and never saying a word than I do explaining things to new people in mentor roulette.

Its about as random as anything, and the more people need to be told how things work instead of intuiting it from the mechanics, the less likely they are to have any idea that comming people is a thing they might want to do.


The best part about the ff15 event was that I'll never feel a NEED to finish astrope, cause I really dont want to end up in any more synced ARR EX trials with people who dont want to know how parts of those fights work.

Unfortunately, some mentors prefer to complain about players who don’t listen to them, rather than paying attention to those who play well. When I tried to help someone, only two people refused to understand and do mechanics. However, I met bad mentors much more often than bad sprouts. Just yesterday, player with a crown ran in front of the group and, being a DPS, pulled all the mobs in the dungeon. He probably had a bad day... dunno.

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Originally Posted by RajNish

Unfortunately, some mentors prefer to complain about players who don’t listen to them, rather than paying attention to those who play well. When I tried to help someone, only two people refused to understand and do mechanics. However, I met bad mentors much more often than bad sprouts. Just yesterday, player with a crown ran in front of the group and, being a DPS, pulled all the mobs in the dungeon. He probably had a bad day... dunno.

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Every time I ask someone if they would like a bit of advice on their class they just say "no". I've stopped altogether. If they want advice they can reach out. Every now and then there's someone who's brand new to the game who'll take it in without reaching out first but those cases are pretty rare. When it comes to mechanics it's a mixed bag, most people listen but there's always that one person in the group that just yolo pulls the boss before I'm even done explaining.
On the flip side, the bad mentors I've seen can be counted on a single hand, in my 4 years. One could think my standards may be low but the reality is that 95% of the time they just run content silently.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

Every time I ask someone if they would like a bit of advice on their class they just say "no". I've stopped altogether. If they want advice they can reach out. Every now and then there's someone who's brand new to the game who'll take it in without reaching out first but those cases are pretty rare. When it comes to mechanics it's a mixed bag, most people listen but there's always that one person in the group that just yolo pulls the boss before I'm even done explaining.
On the flip side, the bad mentors I've seen can be counted on a single hand, in my 4 years. One could think my standards may be low but the reality is that 95% of the time they just run content silently.

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“I can count the bad mentors on the fingers of one hand” - I've heard it dozens of times here. Always, for some reason, from mentors. However, topics about bad mentors and dozens of pages of commentary appear on this forum regularly. Why's that?

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Originally Posted by SoranRigel

“I can count the bad mentors on the fingers of one hand” - I've heard it dozens of times here. Always, for some reason, from mentors. However, topics about bad mentors and dozens of pages of commentary appear on this forum regularly. Why's that?

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Because people remember bad experiences more than good ones? They attach emotions to them and feel personally attacked.

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Originally Posted by SoranRigel

“I can count the bad mentors on the fingers of one hand” - I've heard it dozens of times here. Always, for some reason, from mentors. However, topics about bad mentors and dozens of pages of commentary appear on this forum regularly. Why's that?

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Anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence eeeeeeeeeverywheeeeeeeeere.....

That's why there is never any resolution to these threads, because that's all either side has to argue with. So they just go around and around, like a dog chasing its tail, until everyone gets bored after a few days/weeks and it peters out. Only to crop back up again a few weeks later when someone has a new anecdote to share.

And to answer your question, it's because this is the internet and complaining is basically an Olympic sport here.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Because people remember bad experiences more than good ones? They attach emotions to them and feel personally attacked.

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Standard answer, nothing new.
Probably all of these mentors had bad days, yep.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence eeeeeeeeeverywheeeeeeeeere.....

That's why there is never any resolution to these threads, because that's all either side has to argue with. So they just go around and around, like a dog chasing its tail, until everyone gets bored after a few days/weeks and it peters out. Only to crop back up again a few weeks later when someone has a new anecdote to share.

And to answer your question, it's because this is the internet and complaining is basically an Olympic sport here.

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We have already proposed many constructive changes here. I want a working blacklist so that everyone I send there will never get caught in roulette with me.

Everything remains the same, because people are used to the fact that complaints exist for the sake of complaints, not for the sake of results.
And of course, mentors will always be against any changes. This is non-negotiable.

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Originally Posted by EaMett

Every time I ask someone if they would like a bit of advice on their class they just say "no". I've stopped altogether. If they want advice they can reach out. Every now and then there's someone who's brand new to the game who'll take it in without reaching out first but those cases are pretty rare. When it comes to mechanics it's a mixed bag, most people listen but there's always that one person in the group that just yolo pulls the boss before I'm even done explaining.
On the flip side, the bad mentors I've seen can be counted on a single hand, in my 4 years. One could think my standards may be low but the reality is that 95% of the time they just run content silently.

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Just the day before yesterday, my friend and I explained to newcomers the tactics of Cinder Drift. Nothing terrible happened, although Monk (not a beginner) pulled the boss from impatience. I do not consider the answer "no" offensive, I just keep on running.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

So they just go around and around, like a dog chasing its tail, until everyone gets bored after a few days/weeks and it peters out. Only to crop back up again a few weeks later when someone has a new anecdote to share.

And to answer your question, it's because this is the internet and complaining is basically an Olympic sport here.

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Each time a similar topic arises, you come and write the same comments. You probably like it. If you look at the beginning of this thread, you will see real offers from real people there. Nothing funny at all.

Oh boy the same two people once again talking in yet another mentor thread... If I were you guys I would stop answering to them, they have a habit of not listening to the other side. Last thread didn't go well and this one wont either..

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Originally Posted by Neoom

Oh boy the same two people once again talking in yet another mentor thread... If I were you guys I would stop answering to them, they have a habit of getting people banned who don't agree with them. Last thread didn't go well and this one wont either.. Good mentors just don't exists period.

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The last time we had a very pleasant conversation, and judging by the fact that you write in each topic again, no one banned you, although we had disagreements.