Why is leaching tolerated in MSQ roulette?

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

I don't take calls while I shower, I don't take calls during my guitar lesson, I don't take calls while I'm at the gym. I'm pretty sure the world won't end when I make someone leave a message and I call them back after I finished my duty :P I mean sure, if you're the president of the USA and your red phone rings, you should probably pick it up immediately.

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You live your life the way you want, but understand that some people are uncomfortable leaving a call unanswered for 30-45 minutes especially if they're able to identify it as an important one.

As I stated, personally I'm ok when someone has to afk during a duty and gets back in a reasonable amount of time. What I said was they aren't entitled to the party being ok with that. If you get kicked you get kicked, it's not a valid reason to complain. If you can't cope with that happening, maybe you're better off playing ofline games you can pause.

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

As I stated, personally I'm ok when someone has to afk during a duty and gets back in a reasonable amount of time. What I said was they aren't entitled to the party being ok with that. If you get kicked you get kicked, it's not a valid reason to complain. If you can't cope with that happening, maybe you're better off playing ofline games you can pause.

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Not arguing whether people have a right to kick or not, but like the guy said, he was gone for a couple minutes and someone was already jumping down his throat with a wall of text.. sure that guy might be on edge but the request to give a little leeway isn't unreasonable. He never said he couldn't cope, just "wow give a man a minute".

That's one side of the story. Until I know the full thing I take it with a grain of salt. Personally, I highly doubt someone would be down your throat for afk'ing a couple of minutes in MSQ after announcing it. And "a timely manner" doesn't really mean anything since it's completely subjective.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Was Exp really that bad before the Unskipable Patch? I remember back when I was leveling classes, once I finally hit lv 50, every Prae Run gave me a full Level, Or at least very close to one. I ran the heck out of the that Dungeon Everyday on Daily Roulette. And if you got a Challenge Log + Adventure in Need it was like over a Level and a Half.
Im not remembering this Bad exp, and I came in Just before the Dragonsong War. Finally Catching up at the end of it when Niddhog was New

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It was tripled when the cutscenes were made unskippable.
The time vs exp proportion hasn't changed so players running the roulette are no better or worse off. The drama purely depends on whether people value their time more than the exp payoff.

Personally shorter dungeons means less exp but quicker and I'd probably afk after the dungeon to make a pizza or something. At least this way I can do the same thing, during the instance and get higher exp for the same 2 activities over the same period of time.

Hoo boy, I feel as though I may have accidentally touched a few nerves here. Sorry? ^^

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

So you knew you'd get an imortant call and still queued up. That's on you. I mean I get that the call is more important, so you probably should make sure to not be in a duty when it comes. Personally I don't mind if someone announces that they're afk and gets back within 5 mins or so, but that's still nothing you're entitled to. The risk wether the party is ok with it or not is on you.

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I knew I was getting called "sometime during that day". So I could either wait for an unknowable amount of time and stare at the wall. Or kill time by hanging out with my fc mates. The answer seemed obvious.

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Originally Posted by RoyalBeef

That's one side of the story. Until I know the full thing I take it with a grain of salt. Personally, I highly doubt someone would be down your throat for afk'ing a couple of minutes in MSQ after announcing it. And "a timely manner" doesn't really mean anything since it's completely subjective.

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The phone call was around eight minutes. And a friend of mine states that the complainer didn't even wait one minute before starting. Do you need more detail and information?
Also, judging by the whole conversation that spawned from my comment here. People seem to be, shall we say, touchy about this subject. So I don't think it's completely unbelievable that someone would be angry enough to rant about it in party chat.

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Originally Posted by zombunnies

Can I just say that some people are a little TOO aggro about ousting "leeches". Just the other day, I queued up the MSQ roulette with some friends. And just when it starts I get an important call.

So of course, I gotta focus on the conversation and I shoot off a quick "brb, got a phone call". I finish it in a timely manner, and get back to the game as fast as I could, only to be greeted by a wall of text from a party member identifying me as a "leech" who should be kicked. Which didn't feel great. I get that the msq roulette sucks and all. I'm just asking you to step back a bit. Maybe ask someone's point of view before painting them the villain?

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If someone actually says they have to go afk I’m totally fine with it and won’t vote dismiss. When I start doing the magitek mount part and notice grayed our names meaning they are far away and people that have multiple 80 jobs I know it’s not them getting lost, or if I notice people don’t even have an aggro placement during the entire boss fight that’s an issue when they never said they were going afk.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

Are you for real? I can't tell if you're being obtuse on purpose or not.

SE made the cutscenes unskippable because new players were being forced by the rest of the group to skip them or be booted from the party...

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This is not true at all. People were not booted from parties for not skipping cutscenes. No one ever had an issue with new players watching cutscenes. The rest of the party just continues of and told the new player not to worry about it and to go ahead and watch the cutscenes. What actually happened is people were complaining on the forums how they were wanting to watch cutscenes and the rest of the party was skipping them and killing bosses to fast so by the time they got out of one cutscene the next one started right up and they were not given a chance to fight enemies.

How do you tell an AFKer from a new player in some of these instances? When I did the MSQ with the Magitek mount, I had trouble even keeping up with everyone. My computer isn't the fastest, I don't know my way around the areas, and everyone was running through the instance at a breakneck pace (probably thanks to all the unskippable cut scenes). Most fights, bosses would be at 20% by the time I even got a hit off. Despite doing my best, I'm sure that anyone with a parser could easily have mistaken me for being AFK for many of these fights.

If the person who decides to stay back for the magitek section and wait for the boss room teleport is top dps in every fight, including Nero, who is really the leech then?