Stop telling healers to go play dps

I think that people are perhaps jumping to conclusions a bit too much.
People do this with the comments that they made about support too, they said that they didn't want jobs to be completely relient on each other in the sense that they buff each others damage specifically so much that you '' have to '' take them.
And people took that comment as a '' omg, support is gone u guys ''.

The way that I interpret this whole healer dps thing is that they simply want there to be a bit more of an emphasis on the healing part.
But our dps will still be there.

People are acting like healers are losing ALL of their dps skills. No, they're just being brought down to AST's amount of dps skills, which really only hurts SCH (and WHM a bit). Tbh, SCH was my least favorite healer because I felt overwhelmed by the amount of dps skills I needed to do to match the output of my whm or ast. Now I feel more inclined to try out SCH again and I'm actually happy about it.

I don't mean to sound rude, but there is always SMN if you want that feeling back.

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Originally Posted by Freerider

I mean yeah I get that but why make a role simpler and push your career healers that can both dps and heal. It's extremely frustrating.

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How it is frustrating if u dont even know how it will be? There are ways u can still dps, or the healing on bosses from shadowbringers will be so intense u will not need to keep dpsing.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

People are acting like healers are losing ALL of their dps skills. No, they're just being brought down to AST's amount of dps skills, which really only hurts SCH (and WHM a bit). Tbh, SCH was my least favorite healer because I felt overwhelmed by the amount of dps skills I needed to do to match the output of my whm or ast. Now I feel more inclined to try out SCH again and I'm actually happy about it.

I don't mean to sound rude, but there is always SMN if you want that feeling back.

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Being brought down to "AST level" means the SCH lost 5 attacks.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

People are acting like healers are losing ALL of their dps skills. No, they're just being brought down to AST's amount of dps skills, which really only hurts SCH (and WHM a bit). Tbh, SCH was my least favorite healer because I felt overwhelmed by the amount of dps skills I needed to do to match the output of my whm or ast. Now I feel more inclined to try out SCH again and I'm actually happy about it.

I don't mean to sound rude, but there is always SMN if you want that feeling back.

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I just find it funny that your reasoning for liking it is 100% selfish, but then basically imply that people are being selfish and whiny for being upset that SCH was changed...

Not a master at healing (only one 70 healer, and that's because Summoner- the other two are 60 for Makai achievement) but, I love being able to holy stuff. Fast cast holy, and just help delete trash packs. Lightspeed gravity is fun too but eh dance dance destroy your retinas holy is just spiffy :D. In general I DPS as healer because people just don't need to be 100% the whole fight and so it leaves quite a bit of time to do nothing if you didn't heal.. I don't like seeing or being left at sub 50% too long though so I don't do that to others lol (regen is bae for topping off DD, and I make sure the tank doesn't get near sweaty palms ;) ).

Although I've been in groups where I didn't use my mana for damage dealing because everyone touched all the orange and I needed all the mp to heal and raise and didn't want to be sitting on empty half way through XD.

I've never told a healer to stop (or start) dps'ing unless they're literally not healing me (i'm even fine if they mess up and I die a few times because they're trying to get into the groove of balancing both).. but I have to say when I see a healer never use holy in any of the giant balls of trash that I make.. after playing white mage myself I can't help but have an inner wail thinking of all the lost stun time and extra damage (vs just healing me pure).

Anyway if I don't die as tank I'm happy at the end, as tank healer tends to get my comm (I've made exceptions for excellent performance or attitude of the other roles but if you're a happy healer that tends to keep me alive it's probably a guaranteed commendation and if you're excellent / great attitude then it is 100% yours :D). I don't mind if a healer doesn't deal much damage so long as that means we're sailing smooth.

It'll be interesting to see how fun healers are, I'm sure they (I hope at least) didn't just strip a whole side of the job and leave nothing else fun to do. Like if they removed DD from healers in Stormblood then yeah.. that'd be quite a bit boring to me (except maybe when I'm in heavy hitting content I'm new to, because I'm not really that familiar with the job.. I'd probably be like "oh god oh god, tank buster is coming, time to throw the table of spells at the tank /stress lol").

I just want to say, whether healer DPS is a thing or not, a literal one button spam and a DoT is not -under any circumstance- enjoyable gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I think the day they truly accept that is the day they factor healer offense into DPS checks. Giving healers an even more diverse and unique kit in which to DPS encourages that aggressive playstyle. This playstyle also isn't favored by all healers, myself included.

One of the reasons why I prefer 24-man over all other content is because even though the fights are still scripted, I honestly have no idea who is going to dodge what, and I do have to use GCDs on healing and even reserve ogcd heals in some cases. Even with SCH who has the most diverse offensive kit, I actually feel more engaged into the fight when I have to actually heal it.

I'm bored when I have to DPS. It's better than standing around doing nothing, but it is hardly engaging to me. Sure we could give healers more interesting DPS kits, but I have to go back to the encouraging of a playstyle they seemingly want to go away. Of course, I can't speak for everyone but I know I am not alone with being a healer who wants more responsibility actually healing. I don't want 1-1-1-1 either, but also not a big fan of 1-2-3 on healers. I want more, "Heal that dude! he gonna die!"

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I'm right there with you; I'd love to have more fights in normal mode like the Mist Dragon or the people constantly failing mechanics in 24-mans.

But I know Square is just too scared to make that the norm. After a few months, and once people have a little bit of gear, I have every reason to expect to be bored out of my mind, right back where we are now, trying to heal as much with ogcds so I can spend my gcds on spamming 1111 for damage.

Every expansion we get maybe one or two bosses where healers get to try; maybe there's a few trash pulls that get a little hairy, but Square just doesn't like healchecks as a general rule. I wouldn't complain if it weren't just a binary "this is the expansion's healcheck boss" or "maybe use an ogcd on a buster"

I do think losing Largesse and the tank +healing ability could make things more interesting, but only somewhat unintentionally.

i don't understand. healers are built pretty much as ranged casters who can also heal

I still dont see why increasing the amount of healing required in 71-80 content REQUIRES removal of DPS options.
Let the skilled healers have something to do once they have finished all the healing necessary at the moment.
You are one of the healers you are deathly afraid of DPS skills? Just dont use them, but dont use that as an excuse to strip away my skills.