Black Mage's quirky cross class abilities

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

i am wondering what people are going to do within the primal fights without sentinel? being limited to equip skills from just two specific classes...

Will people keep playing the mainclasses within these fights? and not the jobs?

i see that problem.

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Try Stoneskin ^^

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Originally Posted by elreed

Well, a lot of discussion on bard job, one thing that everyone is forgeting is that we dont know how much the song buffs last, if they give 10min like in the begining of the game we had a few buffs that lasted that, we wouldnt have any trouble focusing on DD, but if those spells last what the speed buff last then we have a problem, im still reluctant for having thm and conj only subjobs, if only they left lancer and conjurer as subs then we could have a good damage dealer and support/buffer job.

Right now only a few classes exceed archers damage and not always, i think with this kind of setup we have with bard we wont have the best DD, but ill wait and see, in any case i like a lot the archer class and wouldnt mind being a support job, this is the first wave of jobs so i know we'll get a bad ass ranged DD in the near future.

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Most likely going to have the same cast/recast/timer as Swiftsong. Thm/cnj subs are the best to subs to make bard the best support role it can be. It's main focus will be on support. When that role is complete it will DD some (like cor in xi).

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Originally Posted by Xianghua

Most likely going to have the same cast/recast/timer as Swiftsong. Thm/cnj subs are the best to subs to make bard the best support role it can be. It's main focus will be on support. When that role is complete it will DD some (like cor in xi).

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I know that the role of bard is support, but i dont see what the thm adds to the mix, sanguine rite gives only defense boost for thm so theres only left the mp it gives but bard already have mp song, i think they wanted bard to be less effective, if they gave lancer as sub with conj in the mix would have been an OP job, but as i say im gonna try it first... i feel that theyre leaving Bard as they left archer in 1.19

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Originally Posted by elreed

I know that the role of bard is support, but i dont see what the thm adds to the mix, sanguine rite gives only defense boost for thm so theres only left the mp it gives but bard already have mp song, i think they wanted bard to be less effective, if they gave lancer as sub with conj in the mix would have been an OP job, but as i say im gonna try it first... i feel that theyre leaving Bard as they left archer in 1.19

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maybe with the next lvl cap increase thm could get some nice skills. Its a shame well have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

^^^ This Sorry KumaAkuma but you are wrong in this argument, though I do agree bard will still be able to play somewhat of a DPS role they are going to loose quite a bit of it due to loosing invigorate, keen Flurry, and blood for blood. If Bard wants to keep up in damage they will need to unequip the job stone.

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:/

On moogles our pug never beat arcs, and he's not a noob pug, just seems to go down hill when mp is gone.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

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On moogles our pug never beat arcs, and he's not a noob pug, just seems to go down hill when mp is gone.

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Not sure what this means but just saying if you are wanting to go full DPS you will have to unequip the stone, I think BRD will still do some pretty good DPS but not near as good as ARC, then again we haven't seen how well the new WS performs.

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Originally Posted by KumaAkuma

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On moogles our pug never beat arcs, and he's not a noob pug, just seems to go down hill when mp is gone.

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/sigh 1 pgl in a arc heavy moogle spends more time chasing the moogles and missing combo's. while Arcs can run around freely and unleash combos without little worry of them failing.

If you went into a pgl heavy moogle the damage will be pretty much the same as arc (pgl might be ahead due to fist of fire vs king/mrd/gld)

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Originally Posted by Mrfox0707

I also thought the choice was a little weird. WHM is also strange with getting GLD and PUG skills. That really makes me wonder.

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GLA makes perfect sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Not sure what this means but just saying if you are wanting to go full DPS you will have to unequip the stone, I think BRD will still do some pretty good DPS but not near as good as ARC, then again we haven't seen how well the new WS performs.

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Remember that even the moogles prefer archer as main than brd...

The pug shouldn't be chasing the moogle though. There is a reason PUG has a enmity-less taunt. Taunt - Temporarily focuses the target's attacks on you. Make the moogle run to you. Really, it works great. Put featherfoot up, taunt moogle, moogle runs to you, moogle misses, stun moogle using haymaker. Proceed to pounce combo to further stun the moogle. By the time the mooge is unstunned; archer, thm, or cnj should of heavied that moogle and his mooglely death should be in short order.