Should they remove positionals at this point?

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Originally Posted by Gumpy

Positionals should be in the game, anyone thinks otherwise is objectively wrong.

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I don't mind having positionals but I'm gonna have to stop you right here. They don't have to be in the game imo. In fact they could be taken out tomorrow and it wouldn't make much difference. Heck, ranged jobs don't really have them at all. Some fights don't even require them. We still have our rotations though which can be simple or complex depending on the job and is more than enough. You are free to have your opinion but just because people disagree with it doesn't mean they're wrong.

The most popular job right now from what I’ve seen is Bard, followed closed by Red Mage. I think it’s telling that the most popular DPS jobs are the ones that have no positional requirements whatsoever and simple, easy rotations (Bard technically doesn’t even have a standard rotation).

I think that if melee didn’t have positional, the gap between ranged and melee would become smaller.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They don't have to be in the game imo. In fact they could be taken out tomorrow and it wouldn't make much difference. Heck, ranged jobs don't really have them at all. Some fights don't even require them. We still have our rotations though which can be simple or complex depending on the job and is more than enough.

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Ignore the rest of my post, but ok you do you. Ranged jobs with positionals would be aids. Positionals to some extent are part of the rotation and should be planned around.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You are free to have your opinion but just because people disagree with it doesn't mean they're wrong.

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People who believe the earth is flat have an opinion too, doesn't mean they're right.

Get rid of the positionals, please, they have been such a pain around larger bosses.

But positionals are fun

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Get rid of the positionals, please, they have been such a pain around larger bosses.

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Ah yes, size makes a massive difference.
http://i.imgur.com/Fg8moZ1.png

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Originally Posted by Gumpy

Positionals should be in the game, anyone thinks otherwise is objectively wrong.

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I'm not sure you understand what 'objective' means.

They have been slowly edging positionals out over the years with the addition of True North and constantly lowering the penalty for a missed positional. They really should just finish the job as positionals are a relic of a different game. As a melee DPS is just gets frustrating all the times where you have no True North ready and need to do mechanics but can't (or can't safely) do positionals at no fault of your own. Speaking nothing of all the enemies that regularly and frequently turn to lob an attack on the group making you have to learn the timing and hoping you can anticipate where you need to be for a modest damage increase every time it occurs.

Other games have managed to make compelling melee gameplay without an over-reliance on having to dance about an enemy to edge out your damage. Besides melee already have the trouble of uptime to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Connor

The most popular job right now from what I’ve seen is Bard, followed closed by Red Mage. I think it’s telling that the most popular DPS jobs are the ones that have no positional requirements whatsoever and simple, easy rotations (Bard technically doesn’t even have a standard rotation).

I think that if melee didn’t have positional, the gap between ranged and melee would become smaller.

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You wot? Its more like these jobs are really easy to squeeze out DPS out of and are safe. Unlike melee who will have to dodge mechanics most of the time which sacrifices uptime.

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Originally Posted by AxlStream

You wot? Its more like these jobs are really easy to squeeze out DPS out of and are safe. Unlike melee who will have to dodge mechanics most of the time which sacrifices uptime.

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Yes...and positionals only makes this harder.