Caster Changes in 4.2 (RIP Casters)

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Originally Posted by hynaku

After these nerfs to smn don't see playing one anymore. Why don't we ever see them nerfing rdm's or sam's. looks like time for me to find another class to main. If it wasn't for those tanks super pulling I would still main a healer. Also dps is affected by your ping to. If you have same class both geared the same one with lowest ping will still do more dps than other one because of the lag difference.

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It's a minor nerf.. together with the FFLogs change it might be perceived larger than it is though.
You'll lose about 100 DPS from the nerf itself, and another 50-100 on fflogs from the radiant change.
The position of SMN won't really change at all. MCH might fall out of meta in favor of MNK, but SMN will still be a solid pick for a static, especially for normal progression groups.

Point is, no reason to change jobs over this (aside from the nerf having meme-status).

It is for me time to change classes. Getting very tiring that ever big patch seems like they nerf your class. Time for me to find new class that don't see every patch being nerfed with very little buffs ever. Time to pick a class that's always getting buffs and hardly ever getting nerfed.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

It is for me time to change classes. Getting very tiring that ever big patch seems like they nerf your class. Time for me to find new class that don't see every patch being nerfed with very little buffs ever. Time to pick a class that's always getting buffs and hardly ever getting nerfed.

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Enjoy Dragoon ;)

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Enjoy Dragoon ;)

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Pretty easy I got drg,mnk, and mcn all to level 70 just incase something happened to smn again.

Honestly, this was more than deserved, considering how overtuned Summoner was for the last patch. They could out damage Samurai and Black Mage, despite having the utility to make up for their damage.

Now this should put them in the same place as SAM, rather than above it.

Sounds fishy to me. Every ex roulette dungeon ever done that's had a rdm, blm, or sam in party always done way more than I every have in dps. Most Have ever seen once for a crit was 20k damage but a friend of mine that has way lower ilvl for his sam says he crits for 30+k so how is a summoners dps higher than a sams. Also have another friend that mains a blm and way out dps's me. Sounds like summoner hate to me. Summoner gets good boost and now everyone gets mad so to fix it they nerf it and i'm pretty sure last patch they nerfed it to. Sams doesn't deserve a boost anymore than another class does. Why should they even be compare them to a caster. There melee and not one that uses magic. They should only be compared to a monk, dragoon, or a ninja since there a close range dps and not a range dps class.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Sounds fishy to me.

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It certainly does, but that's because you're thinking only of bursts. Summoner's strength lies in sustained damage, and the fact that they can constantly have at least 300 potency of damage per 3seconds, without any need to worry about serious clipping or losing potency or similar. However, on top of their sustained damage, they also have powerful oGCDs (Fester, Deathflare and Akh Morn) that can inflict serious damage.

And Samurai is compared to SMN simply because of SMN's overwhelming damage... just as it would be compared to Black Mage for that matter. But if you wanna compare SMN to BLM, SMN objectively outperforms BLM in terms of DPS, even if numbers "feel" low.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Sounds fishy to me. Every ex roulette dungeon ever done that's had a rdm, blm, or sam in party always done way more than I every have in dps. Most Have ever seen once for a crit was 20k damage but a friend of mine that has way lower ilvl for his sam says he crits for 30+k so how is a summoners dps higher than a sams. Also have another friend that mains a blm and way out dps's me. Sounds like summoner hate to me. Summoner gets good boost and now everyone gets mad so to fix it they nerf it and i'm pretty sure last patch they nerfed it to. Sams doesn't deserve a boost anymore than another class does. Why should they even be compare them to a caster...

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Wow i don't even know where to start here. Summoner is right now the strongest DPS in the game, not just personal DPS but actual contributed Raid DPS, people complain because they have very little idea how to properly play the job. Maybe you should check out a guide before complaining.

that math seems off, smn only losing overall 100 dps in 4.2

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Originally Posted by Tsurayu

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Because the way it goes is the more party utility you bring, the less DPS you bring. (that's been the golden rule with XIV)
Every job is supposed to have it's place.
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BLM are supposed to be the high dps job (that bring no party buffs, they just bring more damage)
SMN has a raise, and party utility in the forms of devotion and such, so in a perfect balanced world it shouldnt bring as much dps as the BLM but still be up there.
RDM is a two faced coin, it brings a bad heal and a raise, and it's dps by double cast, heal + raise + doublecast making able to pull raises out more (without factoring in MP) makes it slightly lower than SMN in damage.