Pre-pull regen?

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Originally Posted by winsock

Not sure why healers would want to regen pre-pull. Pre-pull regen puts you into combat immediately, which means you miss out on the out-of-combat MP ticks while traveling.

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That's a really good point on the out-of-combat MP ticks. I'm usually already dropping Aero III while the tank gathers, so I wouldn't see as much benefit.

And I was almost chunky salsa the other night in an Expert run because I accidentally hit the wrong button and dropped regen on the tank while he was gathering. He was *definitely* not AoEing, lol! So I believe I will stand by my policy of not dropping regen with unfamiliar tanks.

You dont need to pre pull regen considering the combat flow in this game. When the battle start you as healer has all time in the world to cast heal and do whatever you want anyway

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

That's a really good point on the out-of-combat MP ticks. I'm usually already dropping Aero III while the tank gathers, so I wouldn't see as much benefit.

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Unless Aero III is hitting everything, you're likely wasting mp. Ex: if a pull is 10 mobs and you Aero III 5 of them during the pull, then all 10 when the pull is complete, you havent really changed anything. 5 mobs may die a gcd early, but the remaining 5 still need AoE'd. You aren't shortening the duration of the fight and are possibly lengthening the duration of the dungeon if mp issues cause you to miss a holy on that fight or subsequent ones.

I'm sure we've all got horror stories to tell regarding Healers doing barmy pre-pull shenanigans but I'll just relay how I do it on my WHM.

Unless it's a boss-fight, no pre-pull regen - ever. The most it would do is stave off an auto-attack or two at the risk of forcing the tank to have to run around like a nutcase re-gathering any stragglers. It may be fine with PLD-Flash in confined spaces, but if I'm on my Warrior who is restricted to cone-OP or Tomahawk on wide-spread pulls, the last thing I want is a regen thrown on me before I've gathered them all.

Anyway, back to what I do > follow the tank closely during the mega-pull with the intention of QC/Holy once they're rounded up. This gives you ample time to comfortably AeroIII the entire crowd before the inevitable damage. If it's a long journey between the packs, by all means throw regular Aero's on whatever has been picked up (Shield Lobs/Toma/Flash/OPower)- there's really no point casting AIII on a handful and then having to re-apply it a second time later, so don't bother. Now that the tank has everything gathered and picked an area to hold, unleash that QC-Holy. From there, you can either TA/PoM/CS>Holy Spam (you'll have time for 3-4 during the initial stun [or more depending on the tanks mitigation] seeing as the second stun will keep them pinned for a few extra seconds), or you can save that and use the initial stun time to cast any healing-centric safety nets you feel may be needed if you're worried about the particular pack (regen, asylum etc, vs that horrible double-pull before Poisontongue in Skalla where things can get messy until the stone-idol is dead - mostly a melee-group issue).

Be wary when using a pre-emptive Asylum as that will draw aggro much like a regen-tick would once someone stands inside it. If you're doing such things you should always be glued to the tank. That way, any strays will be heading towards them for pickup. The only reason I may use Asylum early is if I'm starting to lose count of how many times the tank moves out of it during the run, be it intentionally (massive AoE markers), or just doesn't notice/care and runs around like a nutter. A pre-emptive one is a big wordless "Hey, see that pretty dome? Try tanking inside it" suggestion. Again, I'm fine with this as I'm literally breathing down the tanks neck and ready to rock that QC/Holy.

Get into the habit of rotating between a Tank-Cure and Enemy-Stone. Someone commented on one of my recent streams when they noticed I was flitting between Focus-Target Cure > TAB > Stone > Focus-Target Cure etc during the 'oh noes' phase of having no Holy stun and the triple-pack is free to hit the tank. There's really no need to be mashing out Cure-Spam as there's only very few cases where a tank will 100%-0% if they've remotely decent gear, and I've seen far too many healers pumping overheal cures into 100% healthy tanks out of fear when they could have lobbed a stone (by which time damage would register that can actually be healed). Once those lillies are stacked, Assize (trash is relatively healthy) or Benison if it's on cool, which gives you more leeway for heals, stones or additional holy.

Lucid at 75-80%. Rinse, repeat.

Boss? Yes, I'll regen and maybe even MedicaII if I know the boss in question has early AoE mechanics (eg. Kelpie), so with the whole party having a healing blanket, I can open with TA/PoM/CS and go ham until the movement mechanics kick in and healing takes center stage (until the next downtime window), but never do this pre-trash pull. Regen is bad enough but I've seen far too many healers lashing out MedicaII on mega-pulls and wondering why they've got mobs punching them in the head.

Slapping regen on me pre-pull is no big deal because of how fast I grab mobs and spam unleash. But that's just me, and this is DF, not every tank is the same. Don't do it~

In raids, I regen the tank as soon as he runs toward the boss. In dungeons, I usually don't know the tank, and I'm a lot more careful with my Regens. I rather throw an instant at him than risk tanking myself; many tanks just aren't good enough, and even if they are good, I feel pre-pull Regen isn't worth the chaos it potentially causes. As soon as the tank finished the pull, sure, Regen is up asap, followed by Holy, Aero II, and all. But before that, no. Too much chaos, too little knowing how the tank will react. Not worth it, I can keep him alive during the pull well enough with other means.

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Originally Posted by winsock

if mp issues cause you to miss a holy on that fight or subsequent ones.

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Can we even get low on mp anymore? I feel a bit spoiled anymore, since it feels like a dream that we ever had mp issues.

The annoying thing about whm is the aggro they create. Both AST stances reduces their aggro universally and with SCH, the fairy is technically causing the regens and only heals when needed instead of over-healing. Also, who cares if the fairy gets hit a couple times during the pull. Pre-shielding with the other two jobs cause no aggro and basically serves the same purpose as pre-pull regen so they might as well just do that instead. It is pretty much just a minor downside of white mage and minor annoyance to some tanks.

Like others said, it is fine with trial or bosses since the main issue is with multiple mobs. With a single enemy, the tank can immedately aggro back with provoke or the global they were going to use anyway.