Square: You need to open servers before this community is slowly choked

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Originally Posted by Rokke

I won't deny that rp exists on other servers - the pools of people are just more limited when they are spread out. I moved off Faerie over 2 years ago because I was frustrated that I couldn't find the contacts I was looking for.

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I do get that. It does suck to not see what you're looking for and to have to continue the search. The size of the pool doesn't matter though if you find what you're looking for. You can be surrounded by a thousand RPers but does that really matter if your group is only 5 strong and you're having fun? It's just the 5 of you when you really look at it. The rest are just nondescript extras in the background.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

F-forward and back and then go forward and back and then go forward and back...Wyrmrest, Moonguard, Emerald Dream, Jiwan, Orwen (Calpheon 2)- Rpers clump together. I expect Bless to form an unofficial hangout whenever it finally releases.

I wish small servers the best of luck growing their rp communities, but there will always be a hub people flock to. If/when Mateus ever locks, a new server will be picked. To expect otherwise is silly.

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Repeating the same action over and over expecting different results I hear is often called insanity. If you insist on continuing this course you really have no right to complain about server locks and stagnating communities.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

You can be surrounded by a thousand RPers but does that really matter if your group is only 5 strong and you're having fun? It's just the 5 of you when you really look at it. The rest are just nondescript extras in the background.

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I'm going to assume that you have absolutely no experience with anything roleplay related. Maybe if you find the perfect 4 players, whose interests perfectly line up with what you want to do in RP, but that's highly unlikely to be happening on a server with a very small RP community. This isn't as easy as getting 4 others to do PvE content with, as each server generally has way more players interested in that.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

If you insist on continuing this course you really have no right to complain about server locks and stagnating communities.

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Which wouldn't have been an issue if SE had actually bothered making an official RP server, instead of Balmung turning into a combination of RP and non-RP players.

And like I said in my previous post, the same can be applied to Gilgamesh, a server that's also stagnating, and that certainly isn't caused by RPers.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

On the subject of "exposing" non-roleplayers to roleplay; while I can only speak for myself, I really have no interest in trying to convince a non-roleplayer like that. I'd rather spend my time roleplaying with other roleplayers.

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So a newbie to rp isn't an RPer? Huh, I wonder how RP even got its start. Did you spring from the ground fully formed and programmed with the knowledge already? I know I didn't...

And exposing a non-rper to rp doesn't mean you have to make any special effort. People simply walking by your group doing it's thing are getting exposed passively. If they're interested, they'll observe and maybe interact. If you're just going to be a snob to them because they failed to properly do something, well, you're certainly not helping grow the community either.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

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Im actually content on Balmung, lock or no. Feel free to check my post history- imo, the locks are an unfortunate but necessary evil.

Closest thing I've got to a horse in the race is explaining why rpers flock to these large communities. Its a phenomenon that happens in pretty much every modern mmo that doesn't have an official RP server: the more potential rpers you get to choose to interact with, the higher the potential of you finding your perfect cozy corner in the world a la
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Isn't there a section of the forums specifically for each world? Oh yeah there is!!! Go here to post the daily threads about opening Balmung again. Seriously, be considerate. You already clog up your world at least stick to your world forum area for these pointless threads. They aren't going to open up Balmung until the population stabilizes. You want Balmung open? Move.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

So a newbie to rp isn't an RPer? Huh, I wonder how RP even got its start.

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A newbie to RP is already an RPer, not a non-RPer, because they've already set the first step by showing interest in RP themselves.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

And exposing a non-rper to rp doesn't mean you have to make any special effort. People simply walking by your group doing it's thing are getting exposed passively. If they're interested, they'll observe and maybe interact.

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Which is very unlikely to happen on servers with a small RP community.

In a previous post, you mentioned non-RPers who have heard about RP, and might be interested, but don't know where to go looking. What's stopping these non-RP players from simply asking around on their server (through ingame, or out of game means)? Why does it require them to be "exposed" to it by randomly happening to run into a group of people RPing?

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

If you're just going to be a snob to them because they failed to properly do something, well, you're certainly not helping grow the community either.

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Same can be said about any groups of players, from PvE to PvP and RP.

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Originally Posted by Rokke

Im actually content on Balmung, lock or no. Feel free to check my post history- imo, the locks are an unfortunate but necessary evil.

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It should've been locked from transfers way, way sooner, while keeping the (limited windows) of character creation available.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Isn't there a section of the forums specifically for each world? Oh yeah there is!!!

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Like the community team actually reads the realm forums.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

They aren't going to open up Balmung until the population stabilizes. You want Balmung open? Move.

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Better hope that Leviathan's population remains stabilized, then. It's already on the path to surpass Gilgamesh, a server that's still locked.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

So a newbie to rp isn't an RPer? Huh, I wonder how RP even got its start. Did you spring from the ground fully formed and programmed with the knowledge already?

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As others said, newbie RPers are RPers. Non-RPers are Non-RPers. Its a simple either you are or you're not.

When I first played Everquest and saw Fironia Vie (Roleplaying Preferred) on the server list, I had never RP'd on a MMO before, never even saw RP on a MMO before. I still knew what the server was even before I played on it. I didn't have to login to it to experience it first.

If someone doesn't want to be like a missionary and convert NonRpers to RPers, they shouldn't feel like they need to. Just like statics shouldn't feel like they should gear up and train every applicant. Some groups even require RPers to be somewhat experienced in RP. Nothing wrong with that either. Just like Newbies can learn content together, newbie RPers can learn to RP together.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

As others said, newbie RPers are RPers. Non-RPers are Non-RPers. Its a simple either you are or you're not.

When I first played Everquest and saw Fironia Vie (Roleplaying Preferred) on the server list, I had never RP'd on a MMO before, never even saw RP on a MMO before. I still knew what the server was even before I played on it. I didn't have to login to it to experience it first.

If someone doesn't want to be like a missionary and convert NonRpers to RPers, they shouldn't feel like they need to. Just like statics shouldn't feel like they should gear up and train every applicant. Some groups even require RPers to be somewhat experienced in RP. Nothing wrong with that either. Just like Newbies can learn content together, newbie RPers can learn to RP together.

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So you RPers do just spring from the ground fully formed and ready to go then? 20+ years now, I must have been doing it all wrong...

A non-rper is someone that's never rped before or doesn't like it and doesn't care to do it. A newbie to rping is someone trying it for the first time. A newbie rper is someone that's tried it, liked it, and learning. See, there's normally a transition from non-rper to rper, well for us mere humans anyway.

I never said you or anyone has to go out there like a missionary to convert people either. I was just saying that if someone sees a group rping and they haven't experienced it themselves before simply being exposed to it in that fashion can potentially lead to the creation of a new rper.

Now as far as newbies learning together, well, you do understand why we have schools in the real world yes? Without some form of direction sure they could muddle through it amongst each other. And they may indeed have fun doing so. The results of that kind of learning when it meets an experienced group though... those poor noobs is all I have to say about that. Yes you don't have to take them on yourself if you don't want to, no one's going to force you too. If you always push the newbies out though your community begins to dwindle.

It's not just about the numbers though. It's about predicting what would happen if they lifted the locks. Leviathan has never really had the same level of player zeal in trying to get on to the server as Balmung and Gilgamesh. As long as the strong possibility exists that people will just rush the opened servers (which the many threads like this basically indicate) then it's highly unlikely the locks will come off until active player populations have reached near irrecoverable levels (not "stagnating" or "choking" but actual bottom tier, near dead world levels)

Souds to me like SE's plan is working perfectly. Keep it up!