Is there any reason to focus on 'solo' players..?

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Originally Posted by Dubont

lol...PS2/360 people never had a problem in 11.

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They sure did, thats why a lot of people flocked to this when they promised it wouldn't be like 11.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

They never had a problem in Phantasy star either.

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Oh yes the mmo that died, good example.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Demon's Souls? No problem there and that game is worse about that than 14.

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A) Demon's souls has a tutorial stage
B) Demon's souls lets players leave hints for eachother in game
C) there is a huge pile of permanent hints in the nexus.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Do you need a tutorial everytime you play a new COD game?

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no but there's often a training stage at the beginning, and some people are new to the franchise

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Do you need a tutorial everytime you buy a new microwave?

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No but they come with detailed instructions for someone who has never purchased a microwave before.
And does the microwave have about 100 buttons, a social system, and a complex rpg structure?

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Originally Posted by Dubont

I don't think so. USE COMMON SENSE. I realize that it's not too common...but come on.

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why dont you :|

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Originally Posted by Dubont

If all else fails, you can easily ask people what to do.

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People do not know everything

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Kilta, I haven't seen more than a few people ask questions here on Figaro, but when someone does ask a question, that question gets answered with a legit response. If people don't ask a question, people won't answer that question and the person who didn't ask has no right to complain. Sorry, I have no sympathy.

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umm do you get what I'm saying.... you have no right to complain actually and they do. They might have asked question in the past and got bs replies. Read my post next time. Might learn something :)

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Originally Posted by ARoy

Now let's say you have two hours... or more than that. And rather than being a tardface and picking one or the other, your group has this magnificent idea of starting with leves and then griding afterwards!

now you've got 35-75K SP!

But wait, there's more! What if... and I don't know if I should really be saying this here, because it's a trade secret... but what if... you have a linkshell with FIFTEEN MEMBERS who can all party up and do five star linked leves for four straight hours! Considering that you link at most 3 leves at any one point in time... that's an astounding 100-200k SP!

Cripes!

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lol you haven't played very much have you? Most leve groups, from what I've seen, get together and do leves...then break afterwards because people think that grinding is counter productive compared to leves so they are not willing to do both. Why don't you play just a little bit more and see what the people in this game are really like when it comes to parties..

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

all I see is you making up excuses. The other said why they don't bother. They get ppl like you who go "wtf.... why do you not know this @ x lvl." then refers them to wiki or zam.

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Like me? Ok...lol honestly though..how can you not know that you need gear by r20? Even if you had asked and got a bs response, surely someone, at some point, would have said "hey, you have to go here." FFXI never said HEY! YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE AH! LULZ! I don't expect 14 to either. Upon exploring the map, it didn't take long for me to realize that the orange dots were specialized merchants. I'm not saying that everyone is able to think like that...but not everyone needs a tutorial and I honestly see no need for one.

I agree I played Aion for 6 weeks its al lol learn2play carebear. Someone had to audacity to tell me that I was filling the server page with unneeded spam cuz I was looking for a legion at lvl 10. I knew nothing about the game, The manual had really no info. I pretty much was alone. Even pvp was icky. If your getting ganked on missions no one helps, they feel its beneath them.

ffxiv forum is turning into Aions And that is the lowest of low.

Instead of pointless debates lets help each other out. Like real mmo players...

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Like me? Ok...lol honestly though..how can you not know that you need gear by r20? Even if you had asked and got a bs response, surely someone, at some point, would have said "hey, you have to go here." FFXI never said HEY! YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE AH! LULZ! I don't expect 14 to either. Upon exploring the map, it didn't take long for me to realize that the orange dots were specialized merchants. I'm not saying that everyone is able to think like that...but not everyone needs a tutorial and I honestly see no need for one.

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actually. I had no idea where to gear at first. And the replies I got was mature. PPl ask where/ what to use for gear alot of the time in ffxi. And b4 wiki ppl would offer suggestions on type of gear. Now its "look it up".

I'm kinda starting to think you never played ffxi or not for very long. FFXI before wiki had a helpful community. Now its "go to wiki."

I've been here for no more than three weeks and my linkshell does this bro. We've got 20 members and by the time someone leaves others ask for a spot on the team. I did leves and behest for 8 hours straight that day. It may not have been 15 members at any one time but the amount SP I got is way more than you can get killing regular monsters.

This is actually one of the issues I was talking about earlier, back in the start of this topic. About Solo vs. Party and the quality of leves and behest. In my experience, you actually get better SP soloing non-leve monsters. I can only imagine getting good SP from monsters in a really advanced area for a non-leve grind fest.

EDIT: Dubont, you and everyone else have obviously reached an Impasse on... well, several issues. Can you please just stop? This thread isn't here for one person or another to spam the same opinion over and over and over like you've been doing. It's obvious no one agrees with you (entirely) on any one subject. There's no point in continuing.

Personally, I'm going to say if you continue you're just obviously trolling. I'll ignore it and advise everyone else to as well.

Moving on, I'd like more feedback on the initial post. I edited it to include a list of ideas I'd come up with since the start of this thread, and I'd like to know what people think on them.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I agree I played Aion for 6 weeks its al lol learn2play carebear.

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OMG, tell me about it. If I heard the word 'carebear' one more time, I was gonna snap on a random elitist troll.

I played on Marchutan before the server merges. Marchutan no longer exists. Thank the Gods. I'm glad it faded into oblivion. Worst server EVAR.

Aion-NA is now down to 6 servers.

Also again lvling to 20 is not all that heard and ppl prob bum rushed it with starter gear. Not that uncommon in mmo actually. So it isd completely understandable. Again instead of being rude help out. Help out no matter what.

Why not ? SE likes money, the Casual(Solo friendly crowd) Outnumbers the Party( Old hardcore elite crowd) 120,000 to 1 (If i give wow 100k hardcore gamers) 120k x 14.99 is way better than 1 x 14.99

It's math, we have more of you, and we dont QQ about every little single thing lol