[Spoiler] The Rising Mogstation Update

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

if it supports square enix it supports ff14, it's the same thing.

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Not exactly. In ways it is and in others it isn't.

Due to the lack of transparency I can logically argue that cash shop sales could even be detrimental to content development of FFXIV. Arguing 5 hat high cash shop sales encourage them to cut more content as shop 3xlusive and 5 hat consumers show they are ok with the rate and style of content we are getting.

Sadly we have next to jo information and can only assume what is done with the money and how it effects development.

Personally I think it does nothing but negative things and if we allow them to keep pushing the slopes going to get a little more slippery.

Just because it's good for Square ENIX does not mean it's good for FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Due to the lack of transparency I can logically argue that cash shop sales could even be detrimental to content development of FFXIV. Arguing 5 hat high cash shop sales encourage them to cut more content as shop 3xlusive and 5 hat consumers show they are ok with the rate and style of content we are getting.

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i could always argue that if cash shop items weren't being bought that the items just wouldn't be put in the game at all, why put time and money into something that isn't going to make them money.
they already have lots of glamour and other items in game so just save the money from the team that would be needed to do it all together.

but yea in the end its all only theories and personal thoughts on the situation as a whole based on how we each feel about it.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Just because it's good for Square ENIX does not mean it's good for FFXIV.

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but it does, as if the game was making bare minimum (say without or even with cash shop) they would slowly take the budget away while trying to keep as many players as they could while spending less.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

this is not some undeniable proof cash shop money isn't going into the game, content being good or bad solely depends on the persons view of the content.

no one here knows if the game is or isn't being given more or less money, it's just being stated like its true to be used against the cash shop.

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This is ture, what's also ture is that money rules every aspect of this game and the Dev team must make due with whatever budget the higher ups deem worthy to provide which does effect the overall content of the game. Where is the money going, no one truly knows but I'm willing to bet a good portion of it is going to FFXV and Remake

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

but it does, as if the game was making bare minimum (say without or even with cash shop) they would slowly take the budget away while trying to keep as many players as they could while spending less.

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Then you would need to know what "Bare minimum" is, and also by extension know that Square Enix isn't cutting the budget anyways while siphoning off cash.

The cash shop "Supports" Square Enix, nobody can deny that, but how it effects FFXIV is anyones guess we can't confirm or deny if it's good or bad.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Then you would need to know what "Bare minimum" is, and also by extension know that Square Enix isn't cutting the budget anyways while siphoning off cash.

The cash shop "Supports" Square Enix, nobody can deny that, but how it effects FFXIV is anyones guess we can't confirm or deny if it's good or bad.

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well this is a hypothetical argument based on different views of the situation, so the idea of cutting budget even if a game is doing ok/good isn't impossible but would go against the business model of you put in money to get money.

but how can more money be a bad thing?

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

but how can more money be a bad thing?

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How can it be a good thing if it's hypothetically not going towards the game itself, as I explained above it's very possible (Given how game publishers have been this last decade) that high sales of micro-transactions are actually hurting the games development rather than assisting it.

This is the same company that has split parts of it's games off as "DLC" Look at Dues Ex, hell they are splitting the FFVII reboot into multiple "Episodes" so they can get more money out of it instead of making a single coherent game.

There are tons of ways money doesn't equal quality, especially in the corporate world.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

but more money = more of everything

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http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/st...g?t=1471951973

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Originally Posted by Inafune

"It's better than nothing"

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Yeah more money = more of everything. We obviously have a differing opinion on the industry as a whole let alone the state of FFXIV or the cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

There are tons of ways money doesn't equal quality, especially in the corporate world.

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making dlc and splitting ff7 remake doesn't it's a money grab (doesn't mean its not either) it's all about the intent (which we can only assume)

looking at dlc as part of the game and being sliced up deliberately to make money shows it in the light of bad while looking at it as it was made as extra that would have never been made shows it as extra content you can buy if you found the game fun enough/dlc good enough to buy.

ff7 is in parts to be able to make it to its full potential ( could always be a money grabbing lie) it lets them fully focus on one part in detail at a time and lets them slowly bring it out over time, it also lets them gauge if they are making it in a way players like instead of spending 10 years on the whole thing if part one flops it's less time/money/resources wasted on a project. (ff7 isn't a small game to begin with let alone with the ideas they say they want to do)

no amount of money =quality but it does = quantity, quality is based on peoples opinions/if the company actually intends to make a good game.

but more money = more of everything

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Yeah more money = more of everything. We obviously have a differing opinion on the industry as a whole let alone the state of FFXIV or the cash shop.

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yet he never said *better than nothing* i don't see how this is some giant argument against money = more (he even took full blame for the whole thing)

mighty number 9 only had 4 million to go off of which is very little, and they didn't even give it lots of micro transactions.

all it shows is good hearted people can flop.

Are we going to have this fight literally every time the Mogstation releases a new item?
In the end, all i can say is, vote with your wallets.

Well, I've been jealous of Y'shtola's HW look since I first saw it, so sorry if my skipping take-out one night for a game vanity is too much for cash-shop naysayers to handle.

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

Are we going to have this fight literally every time the Mogstation releases a new item?
In the end, all i can say is, vote with your wallets.

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I think the problem with that is that for anti cash shop players to do this in a way that "hurts" SE, they'd pretty much have to unsubscribe over it, as for the most part hating the Mogstation but continuing to stay subbed is really just keeping the status quo, and it's a bit unreasonable for anyone to unsubscribe over cosmetics (and with no surveys or anything, impossible for the devs to know that was WHY you unsubbed).

So realistically, all anti-CS players can do is make their displeasure known on the forums and whatnot.