Would you like an in-game parser?

The closest thing to an official parser is already in game. It's called Stone, Sea, Sky. If you can't kill the dummy in the allotted time, your dps isn't good enough. Period. Don't bother trying to get in to the dungeon/trial/whatever till you get better gear, or iron out the kinks in your skill rotation. Just because you have the item level to open the door doesn't automatically mean you should be in there.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

The closest thing to an official parser is already in game. It's called Stone, Sea, Sky. If you can't kill the dummy in the allotted time, your dps isn't good enough. Period. Don't bother trying to get in to the dungeon/trial/whatever till you get better gear, or iron out the kinks in your skill rotation. Just because you have the item level to open the door doesn't automatically mean you should be in there.

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Your first sentence makes very little sense. The SSS is not the closest thing in existence to a parser, so by that, I assume you mean it is the closest thing in the game. In which case, the closest thing in the game is already in the game is a bit redundant?

That said, assuming you meant to say, "there is already a method to measure your damage in the game, and it is close enough to a parser that there is no need to add a parser." Then I'd say I disagree. I do not find SSS is sufficient, even remotely.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I find it interesting that you are alluding to preferring the better community here, but then use terms like 'metermaids' and 'epeens'.

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I'm not certain what's "interesting" about my post. The community here is generally pleasant. I don't see chat spammed with various meters and/or people using them to shame or berate others. If you don't like my choice of words to describe the types of people I've encountered in other games with parsers then I apologize.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

I'm not certain what's "interesting" about my post. The community here is generally pleasant. I don't see chat spammed with various meters and/or people using them to shame or berate others. If you don't like my choice of words to describe the types of people I've encountered in other games with parsers then I apologize.

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I guess I could have been more direct. I found your choice of words to describe an entire group of people to be rather prejudicial and rude, which is hypocritical given the meaning of your post.

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Originally Posted by Reinha

The animosity is mostly between those who oppose public display of dps numbers (whether it's through not having a parser or only having a personal parser), and those who want to see other people's numbers. If you look at the votes, very few oppose a tool to improve oneself but more than half oppose the information being on public display.


You can vote more than one option. The ones you don't vote for, you oppose. The ones you do vote for, you support. I predict the personal parser option will end up getting most votes because it's a good compromise.

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I'm inclined to agree with Kaurie's comment on this one. While I didn't vote for Personal Parser it doesn't mean I oppose it either. More information is better, I just feel it's better to have ALL the information readily available. *Inserts my repeated comments about AST here*

I also imagine there is a lot of overlap with "I support a group parser" and "I support a personal parser" as some posters choose to vote both. To them, it means more information overall in their own performance and they do not care which of these options are implemented (and thus don't care if their DPS information is either public or private).

As an extension to the comment you responded to, I would be interested in seeing how many people voted to both options of "yes".

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Your first sentence makes very little sense. The SSS is not the closest thing in existence to a parser, so by that, I assume you mean it is the closest thing in the game. In which case, the closest thing in the game is already in the game is a bit redundant?

That said, assuming you meant to say, "there is already a method to measure your damage in the game, and it is close enough to a parser that there is no need to add a parser." Then I'd say I disagree. I do not find SSS is sufficient, even remotely.

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It makes perfect sense. Is English not your first language? Let me break it down for you then. The devs have already said no to a parser. SSS however, was their compromise. That is all you are getting, because that is all they will ever be ok with. If you need "more" as you say you do, then use whatever 3rd party tool is available. It will more than likely never be accepted by SE, and is still a punishable offense if you harass someone with numbers.

Was that clear enough for you?

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Originally Posted by Dorander

It makes perfect sense. Is English not your first language? Let me break it down for you then. The devs have already said no to a parser. SSS however, was their compromise. That is all you are getting, because that is all they will ever be ok with. If you need "more" as you say you do, then use whatever 3rd party tool is available. It will more than likely never be accepted by SE, and is still a punishable offense if you harass someone with numbers.

Was that clear enough for you?

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I am not sure if you fully read my post. It made little sense because you said, "The closest thing to an official parser is already in game." SSS is not the 'closest thing to a parser' - so by that extension, I made the assumption that you were saying 'the closest thing [in the game] to a parser'. However, that may have been an incorrect assumption. In which case, your sentence makes sense, it is just incorrect.

To add on to the second part of your post. The devs have said mixed things regarding parsers, and I am unsure exactly their stance. To be honest, I feel this may have to do with meaning lost in translation of interviews and live letters. That said, even if the dev team is strongly opposed to a parser, if the majority of their user base wants one, it would probably be in their best business interests to oblige. I believe that is the entire purpose of this thread and the votes on the first page.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

It makes perfect sense. Is English not your first language?

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That's not something you say to someone, unless you are genuinely concerned and you phrase it more respectfully. It's a very rude way of disagreeing with someone.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

I guess I could have been more direct. I found your choice of words to describe an entire group of people to be rather prejudicial and rude, which is hypocritical given the meaning of your post.

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I did not say every person who uses a parser is a "metermaid". I've used parsers myself in other games. Unfortunately far too many people take what should be a useful tool for personal betterment and use it as a weapon to berate others and/or prop up their own self-esteem. This is likely why SE decided against a parser in the first place. I'm not being hypocritical, prejudicial, or even (in my opinion) rude. Perhaps a bit cynical sure, but ultimately, at least from my own experiences in other games, I'm not wrong about ffxiv being better for not having metermaids waving their epeens all over chat and I see nothing wrong with that statement. Who you personally define as a "metermaid" is not for me to decide.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

I did not say every person who uses a parser is a "metermaid". I've used parsers myself in other games. Unfortunately far too many people take what should be a useful tool for personal betterment and use it as a weapon to berate others and/or prop up their own self-esteem. I'm not being hypocritical, prejudicial, or even (in my opinion) rude. Perhaps a bit cynical sure, but ultimately, at least from my own experiences in other games, I'm not wrong about ffxiv being better for not having metermaids waving their epeens all over chat and I see nothing wrong with that statement. Who you personally define as a "metermaid" is not for me to decide.

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I see, I guess I misunderstood and assumed you were classifying anyone who cares about a parser to be a 'metermaid'. I feel that your argument would go a lot further if you used more respectful language though.