My concerns about a "worldless model" what are yours?

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Fair enough, then I don't understand the post that was nit-picking my choice of words though...

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Because it explains why it won't hurt the game in General.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Because it explains why it won't hurt the game in General.

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You nit-picking my choice of words in a post explains why a worldless world wont hurt the game? I'm amazed.

But seriously it doesn't answer any of the issues I have, and why I think it CAN hurt the game.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Telling people to not speak their mind is the worst thing you can do, so please stop doing so.

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Is that what you think I am saying ? seriously .. I wonder why I bother sometime.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

You nit-picking my choice of words in a post explains why a worldless world wont hurt the game? I'm amazed.

But seriously it doesn't answer any of the issues I have, and why I think it CAN hurt the game.

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Explain to me the definition of a "Worldless Model". Do you mean everything being Instanced? If that's the case, you have to look at the whole game in General and whats going to be in them. Things that will be Instanced are Primals/Dungeons. That's all really, the rest will fall under Open World. and we been told theres going to be alot of Missions/Quests to raise your rank within your Company. PvP won't be instanced ( Frontlines at least), Wandering Odin, Campaign, Strongholds etc.

When you look at the whole picture in General, Is this game really going to be "Worldless?"

Pack your bags Jynx.



Anyways since common sense is so rare that it is considered a superpower, lets wait and see how this feature will work in this game, and then complain about what we do know instead of speculating.

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Originally Posted by Platinumstorm

I have seldom come across "griefers" in WoW, and when you do you get to kick them. At the same time I haven't even ran LFD with 50 different players because I have a guild and run with guild members [and Dungeon Finder has been out since 2009ish].

At the same time I understand the shortfalls of the LFD and LFR systems in WoW - mainly that community is destroyed, and guilds mean nothing to the players. Two potential solutions to these problems are either making the LFC drops inferior to non-LFC organizations, or putting a quota on how many times content must be ran on a server before the option becomes available for LFC; this could likely be better accomplished by beginning a timer after the content has been cleared the first time.

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You are going to have people who don't guild up for whatever reason, I often leave guilds because I don't want to be taking up space if I know I'm not going to play much or at all for a while, when you come back it's nice to have a bigger pool of people to dip in to get older content done.

There's other types of people who play this game besides the vocal ones on this forum and on your LS. It's easy to think they don't exist when you are exposed to them a lot, but there are people who will find this feature useful.

It should never become an excuse f

Arrrg replying from an iPod ... Anyway the feature should never become an excuse for guild mates to not want to help out lower end players or whatever. If your LS cares about you they will Play with you no?
Let's not blame the game for bad behavior.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Explain to me the definition of a "Worldless Model". Do you mean everything being Instanced? If that's the case, you have to look at the whole game in General and whats going to be in them. Things that will be Instanced are Primals/Dungeons. That's all really, the rest will fall under Open World. and we been told theres going to be alot of Missions/Quests to raise your rank within your Company. PvP won't be instanced ( Frontlines at least), Wandering Odin, Campaign, Strongholds etc.

When you look at the whole picture in General, Is this game really going to be "Worldless?"

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We have little idea of what 2.0 will bring as far as we have been told all non instanced dungeons we have are undergoing a instancing make-over I don't see why they wouldn't do this for the strongholds either. PVP could for all we know be totally instanced (I actually imagine it would) almost all the content aside from the small spat of content they said would be open world (Odin) could be turned into a instance.

I'd love to sit back and wait for more information to trickle in, and I plan on doing so if I was dead set on thinking it would turn out to be my worst nightmare I would allready be gone. I'm looking at a worst case scenario for me, where everything for the most part is getting tied up into instances so people can use the world finder.

I understand the view may be a little overboard but I generally expect the worst until I hear otherwise. I have faith Yoshida has better plans for the game but with the team not being very forthcoming with information (Because people throw fits when they don't hit a deadline or something, or change their minds) all we can do is speculate.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Is that what you think I am saying ? seriously .. I wonder why I bother sometime.

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Then please do explain what you meant by telling me that it's a moot point to speak our minds about the subject. If I misunderstood your intent please correct me because what I said is what I took your statement for.

I totally understand if anyone finds this post tl;dr. ;)

I hope you can hear a lower-level fella like myself out, but I feel like this is something worth discussing, and as I'm paying just like the rest of you high levelers, please bare with me. I may lack experience of the end-game, but I like to think that I am still experiencing the overall game in a slower and different way to the rest of you. :) Perhaps you can call it a different perspective, or a different path?

I have never experienced a Dungeon Party Finder (or whatever it's called) before. Now, I know a lot of people get pretty dismissive of people's opinions when they lack experience... I see it a lot throughout these forums. In my case, I have concerns rather than outright rage over the new system. Perhaps you more experienced people can advise me on my concerns. =]


Anyway. My concerns are to do with community, like many have mentioned. If you want to hear the story of how I got into this game, feel free to keep reading the immediate below paragraphs. If not, skip to the much lower ********* line. :)

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I play without an active linkshell. Eventually I anticipate it will become active once again, as I am feeding back to a number of people who want to begin playing the game at 2.0 / PS3 release / the coming months. My recent feedback upon rejoining about 2-4 weeks ago has encouraged them. The strongest, most positive feedback I have given them is that of the community.

I have no trouble whatsoever with getting a party together. The longest I have waited is probably around 15-20 minutes. I have partied with people well above my level on occasion when doing job-unlocking missions, and some might say that ruins the fun of the mission because it takes away from the overall experience, but these are not things that the dungeon party finder will help with anyway. I simply struggled to get four people who were interested in that specific mission, but luckily my efforts in making my shouts a bit more interesting than many of the more basic shouts you may see in Ul'dah worked to my benefit and I had that four-man party together within five minutes.

The 15-20 minute wait was an experience party for L34-38. It was mostly down to people taking a while to get there, but we were all happy to wait because we were socialising in the meantime. I adore the friendliness I experience when dealing with members found by simply making use of the Search function, shouts and tells. I worry I won't get this kind of social aspect when going into a dungeon finder. It is that very social side of things that is what has kept me and my girlfriend coming back since we checked to see how the game has progressed, and if we lacked that end of things we may well have just fed back to our friends that the game is still lacking.

Someone mentioned that Search is not a used feature. I use it. It has minor flaws, sure, but I have found many people, some seeking, some not, when partying by using the Search function. It is not something you should be so dismissive of. It might not get you a party in five minutes, but it is a great way of getting replacement party members when someone leaves, as it is also useful for starting off a party when you only have one or two people on your friends list online.

Basically, all my friendships have been built up by having those 5-10 minute waits. I have got to know people when running around on the open world, which I will still be able to do, and I really appreciate this. If the game was to lose or downgrade the importance of open-world play, I would almost undoubtedly leave the game, because the community is what makes me want to stay, and soon enough I hope I will get to that L50 and start helping other lower level people. It reminds me of Journey - eventually you may get your white robe and then it is up to you to guide others towards the same goal. I hope to be that kind of player.

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Concern #1: When the dungeon party finder comes along, and if so many people turn to it as the primary method of getting parties, will I still be able to gather these kind of friendships? Will open-world experience parties still be an important part of the game? Will people still take the time to talk to one another on a large scale within, in my case, Sargatanas?

I worry that when I shout out asking for members to help me party, I may end up having people shout back at me that I should shut up and use the dungeon party finder. I worry that finding a party for open-world experience will be tricky because everyone will be off partying in dungeons. I worry that it will be less and less often that I will party with people within my own world's community, and as such will get to know less people and it will not be such a welcoming experience.

Concern #2: If I walk into a dungeon with a group of people who are not based in my world, will I still get the same social feedback? Will people be interested in getting to know someone if it is unlikely they will meet very often again, if at all? Will they show the same respect?

I worry that people may be ruder as there is nobody to call them out on it within their own server. When someone is rude within a world in a populated area, they quickly gather a reputation - or so I'm told, anyway. In all honesty, I have yet to meet these kind of people, which as I mentioned is part of why I have returned and am encouraging others to do the same. But if they are not part of your world/server, they may not get that reputation as they won't see you again often if at all, and people within that player's world wil not be able to pass on the reputation. In some cases, the people within that player's world may never know what they are like when they are partying with players of another world! Rude behaviour may rise due to the lack of repercussions.

I would really like the option to search for additional members, and not an entire party. If I have a group of 4 LS members, then we should be able to recruit 3 additional members to do content with.