Crafting is fun!

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

I'm complaining about the current system, because it's designed to force people to get supplies through the MB.

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Not true. I've crafted a few L60 2-Stars now, and will be doing a few more this weekend.
And yet I have not bought any mats off the MB for it, nor do I plan to.

So obviously, the system does not "force" people to buy mats off the MB.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

Now if only you stopped defending a system that forces most of the playerbase out of DoH and DoL ...

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Quit pretending you know things that you can't, please.

And times are pretty good for DoL from what I see. Time-gated mat prices have held at comfortable levels, even for L50 time-gated mats like Volcanic Rock Salt and Darksteel Ore. Even fleece still gets an OK price, so I usually KO a few Karakul with my pickaxe while waiting for the Darksteel node to pop. So why you would conclude that players are being driven out of DoL is hard to imagine ...
oh, were you just making that up ?

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

3.0 made gatherers more important to crafters. I'm both, and I'm fine with it.

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I too have crafters and gatherers alike, but in order to get to that level, you need to pretty much make gathering a full time occupation. The scrip gathering on miner/botanist is a terrible system, and don't even get me started on folklore. If you're one of those rare people defending the red scrips, then you have masochist written all over you.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned. I play to have fun. When it ceases to be fun, I cease to play along. What used to be a reasonably casual pastime is now the sole domain of the hardcore, requiring many hours of dedicated play just to get to a level where you can craft what ultimately amounts to glamor-wear. It's not like any of the stuff we can make is of any practical use.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

It's not like any of the stuff we can make is of any practical use.

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It's a video game. What has "practical use" in a video game? I guess that's subjective.

Is it practical to over-gear your crafting classes (for the current recipes) in anticipation of more difficult recipes that may come later? You can make stuff to do that.

Is it practical to craft DoL offhands (especially since there are no DoL scrip offhands) to improve yield and HQ chance on Ephemeral and Folklore noads? You can make stuff to do that too.

But if you restrict "practical use" to meaning "gear that's better than tomestone gear for end-game Savage progression," Yoshida-san has made it clear that they aren't going to let people craft gear like that any more, and why. His reasons are not bad reasons.

iPhone <contd> the "many opinions" negative towards the crafting 3.0 is not a fact proving that the system is broken, so I don't understand what you are trying to debate with me.
#GoOnGit

My only gripe with crafting thus far is that there are no ifs/ands/buts you WILL have to farm, or buy, crystals at some point.

You know what really is hard and annoying, and my only problem with crafting? Is that even if you have all crafters leveled up, are familiar with your CP management, cross class skills and reliably HQ lvl 60 recipes with NQ mats. You --- WILL NEED --- to overmeld your gear to even be close to be able to "unlock" 1 star recipes. 2 star? Haha! you will need to MAX meld. I.E. spend 50m gil to be able to try your hands on 2 stars.

This is what I hate about crafting, you will spend MUCH, MUCH MORE time making gil to meld your gear, than you will with red scrips. Not worth at all, I'm almost giving up, my problem is not with mats, with scrips or w/e. But with the excess of melds that you need to do.


And then you wonder why some people buy gil...

For what it is worth, the red scrip system is bad in my opinion. Why? I have very little interest in gathering. Now I spend most of my time gathering to spend a short amount of time crafting. The end products being very limited, sell for a very high price that pushes most ppl out of the market. This bothers me as I enjoy having a market to sell to and ppl can't afford a $10m gil main hand and really have no current reason to buy top level hq 2 star crafts. This is also the reason I don't buy mats from the MB, I see no way to recover my investment. Top level gear leads no where and as Yoshi has said with battle gear, it isn't going to be that good. Where do I go? I make my gear because I can, beyond that I have no interest in grinding more mats out to make gear for sale.

The end of the 2.xx system was nice, beast tribe quests for some mats, coil and desynth for other mats, little gathering to round it out. A well rounded system that brought all content together to craft in. Don't like one of the steps in there? Buy it from the MB. Currently gathering is the only way to craft. Other than that I use to send SE a few thoughts on how to improve the system and what made it fun in 2.0, more recently I just send them daily mail reminding them that the 3.0 system sucks. That is just me.

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Originally Posted by Eothas

You know what really is hard and annoying, and my only problem with crafting? Is that even if you have all crafters leveled up, are familiar with your CP management, cross class skills and reliably HQ lvl 60 recipes with NQ mats. You --- WILL NEED --- to overmeld your gear to even be close to be able to "unlock" 1 star recipes. 2 star? Haha! you will need to MAX meld. I.E. spend 50m gil to be able to try your hands on 2 stars.

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You're exaggerating. I've successfully crafted 2-star L60 HQ items, and I didn't have to overmeld all that much. None of my gear is pentamelded.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

You're exaggerating. I've successfully crafted 2-star L60 HQ items, and I didn't have to overmeld all that much. None of my gear is pentamelded.

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Or I am unaware of something, or you are doing a miracle.

http://i.imgur.com/a2gGQai.png

My stats with lvl 60 white HQ gear and some IV melds and the requirements for 2* LTW crafts. I would need max/penta meld every single item and maybe I would be able to try.

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Originally Posted by Eothas

Or I am unaware of something, or you are doing a miracle.

http://i.imgur.com/a2gGQai.png

My stats with lvl 60 white HQ gear and some IV melds and the requirements for 2* LTW crafts. I would need max/penta meld every single item and maybe I would be able to try.

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Red scrip tool. The i180 hand.