I get where you're coming from, but I don't agree. I do a lot of PvE. I'd say that I do more PvE than PvP. I'm the resident tank of my FC. So I am called upon by anyone and everyone to run just about everything, and I don't find splitting my attention has been a problem. I'm at rank 40 now, capping my tomes, and getting all my alex gear and my 3 different Hive weapons. It's not an issue to split my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synestra
Also, I'm sorry, but not wanting to run PvE because you might get a crappy group is no different than running PvP. You might get a crappy group. It happens. This is a social game. Sometimes you get a good group. Sometimes you get a crap one. Not wanting to do roulette's because of the odds of getting some crummy players is the same as saying you pretty much don't want to play the game at all. Even if you have a phobia of running with randoms, or something, you always have the option of running with a pre-made. Get your FC in on it. Between that and weekly Alexander loot runs, your gonna cap your Eso's in no time. The only reason to want to get them out of PvP is to cap them faster... which is just laziness. There's really no gentle way of putting it. PvP Tome bonuses are just a way for PvE'ers to get rewards quickly and with no effort, and that is still WILDLY unfair to PvP'ers who have to grind out hours upon hours of content just to get the meager rewards they're offered.
I do admit that ex roulette is getting stale. I, personally, am getting very tired of Nevereap, but that's still no reason to demand eso's from pvp. For one, Ex roll gets updated every major patch. PvP gets updated... almost never. It think PvE'ers have the advantage in terms of not getting bored with content, because they are given new content ALL THE TIME. PvP'ers are starved of new content, by comparison.
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08-20-2015, 04:52 PMFebrus
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08-20-2015, 05:53 PMSynestraWell my FC is extremely small, and by small i mean besides raid nights im usually onlyone online. But anyway, even after hitting r50 and capping a tomes for the week i still que alot in pvp because i enjoy it. When i go there for tomes after reset it doesnt mean i just go afk there(unless you get seize slaughter)i always aim for the win, and win alone as i dont care about 3rd and 2nd place. I could totally live without FL giving tomes but luckily it does give them atm, all it needs is balance like i mentioned before to encourage winning instead /care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Februs
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08-20-2015, 06:37 PMYaichiro
PvP queuing time has been improved a lot with the introduction of tomes which is the fix that we have been waiting for in a long time. However, this also introduced another problem where players who are only concerned about tomes ruining the game by not performing according to objectives. The root to this issue is the fact that you aren't rewarded for good plays neither penalized for bad plays and thus players who are after tomes will usually try to satisfy their own glory by getting greedy and going solo to obtain kills.
Similar to what many people suggested in this thread, I believe it is better to link rewards on performance. The current tomes reward can be the basic reward that you get whether you win or lose and then additional rewards are added according to performance. For instance, every 20k damage or 100k heals you do will reward you additional 5 tomes where every 3 deaths will remove one reward. Also getting 1st place will reward you 5 more tomes. -
08-20-2015, 09:08 PMGuesswhatAgreed, focus on 1 point is the best strat when "defending" as you said (your idea of defending is pretty much the same as mine). But then there is the problem with people disagreeing, people not listening etc. In meta I 100% agree, but achieving meta is hard with this "casual" problem. If you know your team is not 100% with you, you may want to use alt strats. AKA def strats if you will. Worst thing is to spread out on the map, some attacking north, some attacking west, some defending east etc. When I see this kinda behavior I quickly lose interest to do anything. Last game we got something like 200 pts in total. The exact thing I mentioned above happened. I lost interest as I saw the team obviously were too unorganized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Februs
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08-20-2015, 10:38 PMAbandonHopeTD
I think healers deserve something for the work that they do, definitely. At least a reward title or something, they're saving our asses out there haha. Also it's kinda lame someone can be destroying a player and someone comes along and casts a ruin and gets the kill shot and credit. Lazy dev work? As for the GC topic, I'm with adders and 100 wins from about 500 matches, its lightning fast queue though :D
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08-21-2015, 04:09 AMFebrusTotally agree. I do not understand the players who go in aiming for 2nd (and yes, I've had players actively encourage the team to go for second place. It was baffling). I aim for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synestra
I would be able to live with reduced tomes for failure. It would be a decent compromise, and I'm pretty sure it would yield the exact same effect as completely eliminating tomes entirely. If casual players saw that they were not going to be able to cap their tomes simply by queing for Seize and then sitting around and picking their noses during the match, only scoring a measly 5 tomes for a 3rd place loss for example, I'm pretty sure that those players would simply get pissed off that they can't be lazy anymore and go back to PvE. So This is a solution that I would be willing to see put into effect.
Also, any little adjustments that improve the competitive aspects of the game are welcome. SE doesn't seem to get (made obvious by their ranking system and almost useless PvP customization options) that PvP is a game mode that is for competition, and competitively minded players. Give them a reason to continue competing and those competitions will heat up. It in our nature to work harder when we have something to work for. It's something that every PvP oriented game I've played has utilized to get the players to get into it, but SE just doesn't seem to get it. -
08-21-2015, 04:16 AMFebrusI know what you mean. It's gets really deflating to see that your team is utterly useless, completely disorganized, and has almost no chance of winning. I find this is the case, on my server, with the day crowd. I don't put in nearly as much effort at winning during the day, because I know the teams are heavily populated with casual players that don't care, don't follow instructions, and commit fatal errors like spreading out or losing sight of the objectives. Trying to get them to organize or focus is something of a nightmare too. It's like trying to control a class of pre-schoolers. So, during the day, I usually just go with the flow or handle my PvE jobs and wait for the night crowd, who I know will at least be a bit more competitive.Quote:
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08-21-2015, 04:17 AMRiceisNiceIf second place counted for ADS mount, I wouldn't mind it too much. Honestly, the wolf mark and PvP rewards for placing aren't too that far apart to matter, but everything related to achievements requires first place. Which is an utter pain for 3-way objective fights, especially for large scale ones like 24v24v24.Quote:
Originally Posted by Februs
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08-21-2015, 04:21 AMFebrusHealers ABSOLUTELY need more incentives to play PvP. There's a achievement for killing. Why is there no achievement for healing?? They need some special rewards for healers to get them in the game, because it is supremely difficult to win a match when you have no healers in your group. It's a huge handicap. You can't cut loose in combat. You're constantly ducking out of battle to avoid dying and bleeding points, and you can't sustain any long assaults or defense when you have no healers to supply you with the backbone needed for doing so. Defense, in particular, is just a giant bleed of points without healers. SE needs to put something in the game to encourage some healer que's.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbandonHopeTD
Kill sniping is a different issue. It sucks when it happens to you, obviously, but I kind of see the need for it. For one, it encourages the entire team to work together to score a kill. If the kill were based on who dealt the most dmg, for example, players might try to more actively solo dps targets to get the kill credit and work up to a battle high. That would be chaos, and almost nothing would die. This game mode relies upon focusing down targets to be an effective team. I'm willing to keep it the way it is because it encourages this kind of behavior... besides, sniping is pretty much the only reason tanks and healers get kills in the first place. Given that tanks and healers are the snares that allow targets to stand still long enough to get ganked (Being bait targets that use sleeps, binds and stuns) I feel like it's fair that they also have at least a small chance in scoring the final hit.