SE WAKE UP! 90% of the lost subscriber base was expecting FFXI-2!

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Originally Posted by Arcell

1. I like the game in it's current state but I know it can and will get better.

2. I know exactly what I want and it isn't FFXI-2.

3. Not I.

4. I defend the "copy/paste" world because I really don't see what everyone's complaining about. Then again I'm not a graphics whore so yeah...

5. Because auto-attack and walk away is so much better. /sarcasm

6. The armoury system allows for more uniqueness than any other MMO I've ever seen. You can build the class you want the way you want, with a large deal of grey area for what's good and what's bad.

7. I walk most everywhere but teleporting is nice when you're in a hurry. FFXI totally didn't have teleporting at all, oh wait...

8. The times are changing and so is even FFXIV's party system.

9. People should play well for the sake of playing well, obnoxious death penalty or not. In other games I don't avoid death to avoid the penalty, I avoid death because it's the mark of a bad player. For me all I see a death penalty as is a frustratingly stupid time sink.

10. Not going to argue with that one but that's why I'm still playing. There's 18 classes to rank to 50, story missions, class missions, side-quests, marks skills and top-rank gear to name a few. When the actual end-game stuff hits I'll be 50 and ready to go.

11. The wards certainly have more life in them than a menu.

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4. It's not about being a graphics whore, it's about the zones having extremely poor design. FFXI graphics are not impressive but the creativity that went into the zones is.

5. Only difference with the current system and auto-attack is the amount of button mashing involved and a major difference in party communication.

6. It's also a step behind both talents and subjobs.

7. Getting a teleport spell at lv30+ and being able to instantly port anywhere as any class right from the beginning of the game are two very different things.

11. They're also much more tedious to use.

I can respect everything else you said though.

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Originally Posted by Argh

reading the constant whines of the fanboys on these forums has risen my temperature! the forums are being overrun by their arrogance and ignorance. instead of embracing tried and true mechanics from the game's predecessor (FFXI) they instead abruptly reject them without giving a logical reason or proposing anything that's better.

fanboys are toxic;

1] you like the game in it's current state so everything is rosie.

2] you don't like the game in it's current state & don't want FFXI-2, basically not knowing what you want.

3] you say that ffxi sucked, despite being a subscriber to it for years.....

4] you defend the blatant copy-pasted world by saying every mmo does it.

5] you defend the boring-as-hell 1-1-1-1-1-3-1-1-4-2 battle system.

6] you defend the economy-killing & bland armory system that does not allow for uniqueness all because you want to play dress up doll with your mancats.

7] you enjoy teleporting everywhere instead of traveling in a dangerous world.

8] you think ffxi party system is "old and tiresome" so you would rather kill 468 squirls, by yourself.

9] you don't want a death penalty or risk vs. reard system because it's more fun racing and exploiting to max level being invincible.

10] you simplify it all by saying the game just needed more content when in fact the far majority quit before they reached level 20, obviously not caring to see any more content.

11] you think lifeless market wards are better than a bustling full fledge AH structure.

90% of the subscriber base has long quit for the exact reasons you see in front of your screen whenever you log into the game...these same reasons you are trying to defend. the ones still playing are only doing so because the game is free.

FFXIV was purposely designed to avoid everything that defined FFXI. it is a general statement (and factually correct one) of why it died, hard. demanding a continuation of what killed FFXIV is insanity.

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[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.] People left because the game was unfinished. Give it a chance man!!

At first I started playing because one being a FF fan and two it being a new MMO. That fad died off quickly but by then I have met the people in my current linkshell and now it's mainly the people that keep me playing. Otherwise in it's current state, I agree with the majority that the game is boring as hell and lacks alot of key points that make a good MMO. Also i'm interested in see what direction the game will go so I'll be sticking with it til it suceeds or fails. Also remember folks, the current dev team is picking up the pieces of the old dev teams garbage. Do they need to move a bit faster and impliment some main key points that we're all looking for? Most definetly. The game will not survive alone on band-aid patches and boring sidequest. They need to get chocobo/airships going, need new areas/cities/storylines, need massive PvE or even PvP would be good and alot of things. It would be acceptable if they threw a good mix of band-aid patches and real content. SE's biggest mistake from the beginning of this game is have a director like Tanaka to head the game. Did they not see his bland and boring attitude towards the game. Feel free to add your comments to this as i'm sure there's tons of post by now pointing at the same things I just said. Kudos to my first post! :p

No, I didn't want XI-2, I wanted a new adventure, in a new world, with a new story. What we got was XIV, with all that missing. It only natural the player base looked at their previous success and asked, "what happened?"

With such a solid MMO under their belt, they seemed to have tossed everything they knew to reinvent the wheel...only they came up with an octagon. Now we're left hoping they grind down the corners and give us a smooth ride.

I admit I am one of those people that was expecting a close version of FFXI. At first I was frustrated to hear none of the traditional jobs that started from the classics were available. I felt like why even call it "Final Fantasty" give it a new title if you are redoing everything nearly from scratch save the races. I understand the need for something new and the company not wanting to make a game to take the place of FFXI so I tried to enjoy the new jobs, but as I play the game I find myself feeling unsatisfied from not having any challenge in the game. Just from looking at DoW & DoM classes' abilities alot of them are pretty overpowering and leaves little room for more jobs with same amount and new abilities unless I have a low imagination. This game so far seems to me as a Hack and Slash action game. No strategy is evolve except for quick fingers and hoping not to get 1 hit killed!

After saying all of that and reading alot of posts on the subject. I do agree for something new and if more classes come out, be it original and from scratch and follow thru with your idea SE. There are alot of bugs still so gameplay is weak so I will be patience with the game.

I will admit as well I am still low rank being only Rank 26 THM so I will not mock this game till I am rank 50 with all classes or I find my fill of either killing easy Monsters or being kill with one shot with no challenge in between and by then I will quit to join up with FFXI again and cry like crazy to bring back the Level Caps on CoP for a real challenge!!!! And Here's to wishing for some real RPG elements instead of a fault illusion of Stats, Food that does not work well, Hack and Slash, unlimited MP and so many too easy elements.

Tbh if it's not because of my LS premade leve parties, I would have probably rage quit ff14 a long time ago, its so boring compared to ff11.

But no, I don t want to sit in Jeuno for 3 hours type of gameplay again, hate it, never gonna go back

I didn't want a FFXI-2, but I did expect things that already worked to be improved upon and implemented into FFXIV.

I think 90% of the lost subs were those expecting more, are waiting for more, and/or were drawn to another game that offers more of what they want now.

It's not like everyone was looking for a FFXI-2. Some people will, I'm sure but well, it's not their fault.

I agree that when I started playing FFXIV I said: OMG, what happened here? But the game is not "that bad" right now.
When ppl say that they want a FFXI-2, I agree with them in something: They can actually implement things that worked from XI, and that would not necesary means that SE would be doing a FFXI-2.

I think Yoshida-san said that one of the things that is killing this game, is that it want's to be so much different that what it really is.

An easy example of this is that If it's called "Final Fantasy" why we don't have the "Final Fantasy Classes"??

It may be nice to see some aspects from XI implemented here, without have to become to XI-2.

One thing I notice a lot is how frequently people say they want FFXIV to be like FFXI, but give very few specifics of exactly what they want back.

The few who do usually want things back that were pinnacles of poor game design. Or stupid and not that useful. Or both.

So, just once, I want a (short) list of things from FFXI that FFXIV should have, which has any real merit to it.