Abusing the Trade feature to interrupt, etc

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Originally Posted by Darki

those that are trolled have more power to stop it then they realize. Why not use it?

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You answered your own question. If somebody doesn't know that /busy or /blist <t> will help, they essentially can't use it to prevent trade harassment.

I like both methods too, but I think that mpk via trade-spam is more reprehensible than ignorance of features. Punish the trolls, educate the player. Add a third to the mix, too: improve the system where possible. It's our one advantage over the physical world! :D

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

Being prepared is always a good strategy for anything. Blaming victims for not being prepared enough is disgusting. The focus should be on stopping perpetrators, not blaming victims.

I don't believe this is an argument that I will win with you. You've shown in your other posts that you are eager to blame the victim in this case.

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What's disgusting is you comparing a small problem in a video game to something that is horrible to blow your point out of proportion. Don't use rape victims as an example for something as stupid as trading. I really cannot take you seriously because of how you put that.

It seems like it needs to be pointed out that GM's are there for anything you might have problems or concerns with. Preventative measures also mean little in the context of reports. Like other games, the fact there is a profanity filter does not mean you can't be reported and actioned for using those words in a public context. If someone is going to go out of their way to repeatedly open trade while you are doing anything else, they know what they are doing. I hope they enjoy their well earned vacations.

I can't honestly say that I understand the people saying "just /busy or suck it up and ignore the trade spam trolls. Don't contact the GMs.". Sticking your head in the sand and pretending there's nothing wrong generally doesn't make a issue like this go away. If it does it only diverts it to someone else who's innocent and unaware and they'll suffer instead of you.

I can agree with not reacting to trolls directly. Don't call them out on it in /say, but it's beneficial to yourself and others to report them to GMs. If they continue to do it after being warned to stop or suspended then hopefully they'll get a permeant ban or something. Another benefit to reporting is that the devs might create a way to prevent it in the future so that no one has to worry about it in the first place. It's not going to be fixed if it's not reported, and if it's rarely ever reported it may take much longer to be fixed.

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Originally Posted by Darki

If you own a car, you have to expect that some idiot might ram into you on the road and damage it. So you buy insurance.

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You are only required to carry liability insurance. If 'some idiot' rams into you and he doesn't have insurance, you get screwed financially, but he gets to deal with the cops.

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If you own a house, you have to expect that someone might break into it. So you get a security system.

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I'd say security systems are actually rather rare. Home-owner's insurance is the only safeguard most people have, and, regardless of what precautions you choose to take, (unless there are regions where this differs) someone that comes on to your property and takes your stuff is still criminally liable.

So, not the best examples since the examples of 'prevention' given don't preclude punishment of the offender.

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Originally Posted by Argyle_Darkheart

I never said it was ok. I said (in the post you quoted, no less) that people are inflating the issue.

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Saying that it shouldn't be punishable is the same as saying it's ok.

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Originally Posted by Darki

Most likely the trade spammers (or whatever you want to call them,) are just stupid teenagers tiring to get a rise out of others.
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If SE was as ban-happy as the latter half of this topic is, there would be no subscribers and thus no game.

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Well, there would at least be a lot fewer griefers amongst the subscribers, which would make it a much better game for everyone else. This sounds as though you think the griefers are a majority of the playerbase, which they're certainly not. Excluding a tiny number of griefers and so making the game better for all the (far more numerous) legitimate players would only help the game as a whole.

I agree that it's mostly just stupid teenagers trying to get a rise out of others, but those teenagers need to be excluded from a few games so they learn just how stupid it is to give up a chance at a game for something as worthless as getting a rise out of someone. Trying to ruin other people's gameplay is not itself a valid form of gameplay and nobody who doesn't know that should be allowed in multi-player games.

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Originally Posted by YmirEsc

/busy is part of the game for a reason- so nobody can bother you.

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It's there so that your friends know that now isn't a good time to bother you with things you'd normally welcome any other time. It's not there to indicate you don't want to be griefed right now. That would imply that normally you (and everyone else) does want to be griefed, or at least that such greifing is acceptable and appropriate.

It's fine to suggest using /busy to block a persistent griefer while you report them to the GMs, but doing so is not a substitute for punishing the offender, because it doesn't accomplish that.

over a year later, why is this still a thing?

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Originally Posted by axenred

over a year later, why is this still a thing?

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I would also like this fixed, I had an incident like this a few months back where two trolls made me miss an hour long mining node because they were trade spamming me. I reported it to a GM, I got a reply saying they would deal with it, but I never found out what happened (as they arent at liberty to discuss)

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Originally Posted by Markas

The simple fact that you're teleporting should be enough that trades aren't allowed. Just this morning someone ran from across the Aftcastle just to trade me as I was teleporting.

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wow ok, i never heard of anything like that, before.
seems like a good way to test if someone is a bot, though.

I actually have another question about this abuse. Why does trading interrupt teleport to begin with?

In other games teleporting isn't interrupted by trading. It is by combat. Not by trading.

Heck there's a reason why in wow there's a glyph for Bubble-Earth combo, but even without that the only thing that interrupts you is the combat.

Just thinking that maybe we should get some fixing about these multi-tasking things (like why am I unable to dye while I'm sit down, or while I can't queue with the chocobo out)

It's a minor thing, but I thought that this trade abuse thing is just weird on its own.