Scrap the marketplace system please

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Originally Posted by Stihllodeing

That's true if the behavior is immediate and temporary. If it's a lasting trend, it very well does benefit the buyer ie (50,000-->49,0000-->47,500-->45,000-->40,000-->etc). Imo, adding a relisting fee to an economy that's already established trends and behaviors will do one of two things

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When I get 1 gil undercut I undercut them for a good percentage of the cost (ex: 500>499>450, or 150,000>149,999>140,000) because I don't have time to dance around relisting ten thousand times. I'd like to get the maximum amount of profit I can get for my item, but I don't see the point in spending hours to go from 250k to 150k in 1 gil increments when I could get there in 10 mins in 10k gil increments.

That being said, I could see list fees back firing and hurting poor sellers at the expense of rich sellers. The point though is to discourage people from relisting items repeatedly. When the relist fee is non-existent there is nothing really stopping you from doing it other the amount of MB camping you are willing to do.

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Originally Posted by Sibyll

...snip... but I don't see the point in spending hours to go from 250k to 150k in 1 gil increments when I could get there in 10 mins in 10k gil increments...snip...

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Neither do I. It takes no time at all. I think people are mistaking diligence for time sink. There is far more discipline than time sink involved when keeping your prices current. I get what you're saying, I really do, but your statement is a bit of an exaggeration. It does NOT take hours, only minutes...if that.

And also, I look forward to doing business with you and those of this mindset :) I will target your retainers and product to intentionally try and drive your price down, especially if we are competing over a product that moves well. I will then buy it and resell, or at least take the risk to do so.

It's nothing personal, just business. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. It's all par for the course in free market economies.

the ffxi market system was backwards and obnoxious, you crazy

please stop trying to make ffxiv bad so it can be more 'hardcore'

The only good "not-a-pure-AH" system in an MMO is the one in EverQuest II has. You can just buy stuff off the Consignment Market straight-up and pay the fee, or you can actually head out to the player's residence and buy it there without the fee.

This wouldn't fix the OP's problem, but that's because the real problem is the OP.

I always find it remarkable how people like the OP are publicly willing to state that they want SqEx to remove competition from the market, remove customer's ability to price out items and look for a better price, and demand that no seller be allowed to sell an item unless they get to sell theirs first.

These threads are without a doubt the most entertaining and enlightening (some people's true nature) that I know of.

I'd actually like a feature outside of AH.There are games (most of them are old) were no AH. It was literally a market place where sellers actually compete for space to park down a stall within a designated area. It gave such great immersion IMO; not just click and buy from a list. In fact, some have "market boards" that only actually gave you tickets to go to player housing to buy it.

I play on Hyperion which is extremely crowded and the system is fine. Sure, I get undercut, but my stuff still sells anyway.

If I decide to ignore the market for a week, I come back to find several million gil waiting for me. It'll sell. Just don't be impatient and you'll get your money.

how about allowing us to see how much the item has been selling for in the past month???

how about allowing a retainer to sell more then 20 things???

how about forcing people to see the sale history of a item before they post a item up themselves at whatever price they want