Tanks are so mainstream. (Ramuh extreme done without tanks)

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Originally Posted by Narissa

It was an awesome way to get our first kill and we wanted it to be special so we thought a little (or completely? xD) outside of the box and this is what we came up with.

There is nothing wrong with trying new things and being creative, SE seems to always promote creativity so I don't think any harm will come to us about this Pantz, but thanks for your concern.

The setup doesn't need to be 5 bards btw for anyone wondering, we just went 5 bards cause it was funny and that's the only ranged alts they had with some gear.

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To be honest it's more like the cheesy way to do it and it's far from fun, it's more close to t2 0 click. And if you guys got your first kill like this and ended up coming up with this idea it's probably because you guys were struggling doing it the normal way.
It makes the fight way more easy than it already is.

Oh and the tanks are going to hate you guys xD They better have a good secondary, it would be funny to see all tanks leveling summ just for this :D

But i'm pretty sure they wont do anything about it and this will become what everyone does on pf like it was almost impossible to find people doing t2 non 0 click.


This shows how bad is the test team from SE because almost every boss ends up having a broken way to do it avoiding some mechanics like t6 LoS, Ifrit EX LoS, t8 solo tanking, t6 dps burning p3 and the list goes on.

Thank god, earth types beat electric types. I'm glad S-E kept good attention to detail; I was starting to become worried they weren't respecting the deep lore of the Pokemon world.

I have beat the fight the legit way and then beat it with titan tanking last night when people found out about it. As someone who has beat it both ways I can tell you it is so much easier the titan tank way. Because you can bring 2 extra dps which makes the adds and dps check part of the fight a joke. You can pick up all the orbs not have to worry about saving them for the tanks until P2 hits and you just save 3 for chained people.

Unless SE nerfs the titan tank way I don't see anyone bringing actual tanks to this fight again. SE probably won't nerf it because they never nerfed T2 enrage and this strat is somewhat similar in that you are using a alternative strat to take out a lot of the mechanics of the fight.

This exploit needs to be fixed as soon as possible.

It's funny - People said they didn't want enemies having elemental resistances because it would make "BLM the go to class" for example, now you have an encounter where people will completely exclude tanks and "go to" SMN tanking. Funny how that works sometimes.

I just tried this with my group and I want to say that having titan doesn't magically make you clear the fight.
People in my group still overlapping lightning circles, not getting the orbs, dying to eletric shocks etc.
So no, there's still plenty of mechanics in the fight without 2 tanks and all it helped us do was clear the ad phase which was really difficult to do when we had 2 tanks instead of 2 DPS.
Still haven't cleared it and still learning the fight but I have this feeling that unless youre like ilvl 99+ it's a real DPS check.

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Originally Posted by Nakiamiie

Being able to do things like this, find viable alternate strategies, is awesome. We need more of that and less rinse & repeat of the programmed encounter.

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THIS^
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Just so I have an understanding(and everyone else as well), I been reading through this topic and I think there are only a few main topics that everyone keeps hitting on.

1.) With Titan-Egi used for the fight, it excludes the need for tanks(which from what I gathered even with T2 enrage, you still needed/wanted one tank at most).

2.) It ignores many of the mechanics of the fight.

3.) Some people consider it an exploit while others call it creative thinking.

I haven't done Ramuh EX yet(since my static group is now working on T6) but I have done the enrage method in T2, so I will try and chime in what I think about it.

Personally, I am on the side that it needs to be fixed. Does it make the fight easier? Sure. Do you ignore mechanics of the fight? Maybe. Is it more fun? Maybe....but I think what everyone is arguing on is the whole 'You are getting rid of two classes from the fight'.

I have tanked since WoW and since than, I have not had as much fun in MMO's unless I am tanking. I level up DPS classes only cause I am something of a completion person but I always found DPS to be boring. Could I heal? Sure, but that isn't as fun as tanking to me. The fact that as a tank I am being told(ahead of time) I cannot join cause they don't need tanks is very disheartening. I love FF reborn and a lot of the raids/primals, so it makes no sense that I have to play a role that I dislike just to experience the content.

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Originally Posted by Gextiv

This exploit needs to be fixed as soon as possible.

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Except that's not an exploit. What happened with White Mages and Titan HM was an exploit, this however is clever use of game mechanics.