Do you think the devs intended multi-flare blm?

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Usually when BLMs pull hate off of me it's because of some nice crits in a double or triple flare combined with their failure to use QS. Would that come in at the beginning of the rotation or at some other point?

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Quelling comes before Raging Strikes

So it's usually always

QS > RS > Flare > Flare > QS ends > Flare > RS ends

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Quelling comes before Raging Strikes

So it's usually always

QS > RS > Flare > Flare > QS ends > Flare > RS ends

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Thx. I don't BLM and was wondering.

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

Thx. I don't BLM and was wondering.

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You asked an honest question gave you an honest answer.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

I don't think you know what the multi-flare rotation is cause it's not what you said.

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Most of people here talk about conventional, intended multiflare (double or tripple). This is what concerns most of tanks and this combination pulls agro off them.
And ofcourse I am aware of an exploit with manaticks allowing infinite use of (Transpose - Flare - Fire II - Flare - Transpose) but there are almost no encounters in the game where mobs really survive after initial 3x Fire II + Double(tripple)flare. And if they do and tank still got control over agro - it is not a problem. This exploit is not game breaking at all and has absolutely no impact on end game content (raids or primals).

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Originally Posted by Pacifyer

And ofcourse I am aware of an exploit with manaticks allowing infinite use of (Transpose - Flare - Fire II - Flare - Transpose)

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That's not an exploit. People throw that word around almost as much as they do "toxic". OMG! look! that Warrior can swing his axe right after he got done swinging his axe. . exploit!

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Originally Posted by Spot

That's not an exploit. People throw that word around almost as much as they do "toxic". OMG! look! that Warrior can swing his axe right after he got done swinging his axe. . exploit!

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You may classify this however you want but it does not work as intended.
It is intended that after casting Flare you should be dry on mana with Fire3 buff on you which means you may recover from it only by using Transpose, Convert, Pot or bard Ballad. Which is not the case.
Playing around mana ticks as well as timing autoattacks is a legit practice and I do not argue this.

So basicly you are exploiting server code flaw to achieve your results. However this exploit has such a minor impact on gameplay and requires major code changes so that SE just ignores it for now.

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Originally Posted by Pacifyer

Most of people here talk about conventional, intended multiflare (double or tripple). This is what concerns most of tanks and this combination pulls agro off them.
And ofcourse I am aware of an exploit with manaticks allowing infinite use of (Transpose - Flare - Fire II - Flare - Transpose) but there are almost no encounters in the game where mobs really survive after initial 3x Fire II + Double(tripple)flare. And if they do and tank still got control over agro - it is not a problem. This exploit is not game breaking at all and has absolutely no impact on end game content (raids or primals).

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I don't see how the convert/potion flare rotation could possibly not be intended. It is a pretty basic design. The transpose flare allows for three flares and a fire 2 during the span of raging strikes and it does a hell of a lot more damage than the traditional rotation.

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Originally Posted by Spot

That's not an exploit. People throw that word around almost as much as they do "toxic". OMG! look! that Warrior can swing his axe right after he got done swinging his axe. . exploit!

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It can only be assumed that it is an exploit because of the fact that they already changed the way black mage gets mp back after a fire cast with the ice buff up. It used to allow for the tick of mana to happen up to a second after you casted a fire spell and even allow for the next fire spell to have the casting speed increase as well as the damage increase of the fire buff. This is basically the same thing it's just harder for the player to do.

it's quite hysterical that ppl are arguing over killing a pack of mobs in 10 seconds, or 12 seconds, with 2 flares, or 4 flares, using ethers or pot of int...

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Originally Posted by Ryans

It can only be assumed that it is an exploit because of the fact that they already changed the way black mage gets mp back after a fire cast with the ice buff up. It used to allow for the tick of mana to happen up to a second after you casted a fire spell and even allow for the next fire spell to have the casting speed increase as well as the damage increase of the fire buff. This is basically the same thing it's just harder for the player to do.

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You are probably unaware what exploit is discussed. Ofc it is not about using convert or pots.
Look closely to rotation (Transpose - Flare - Fire II - Flare - Transpose)
I've highlighted the problem part for you.
After Transpose wait for mana tick, then 2 seconds more and start casting Flare. You will still get a mana tick right after Flare allowing you to cast Fire II and another Flare already being under effect of Fire3.
However this minor bug can't really be used mostly anywhere cause for it mobs should live longer than your full initial AOE rotation and this can only happen in dungeons with undergeared players.