Wat you miss when abandoning leves

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Leve failing is going away from a development standpoint, because it's a scav player's action to get a scav player's pittance. It's weak, derivative and against the spirit of the game to fail something that it was assumed you were going to try to win. When players cop out of the system and blatantly stop pretending the game isn't just a mechanism to get X, that's a weak mentality and a weak game.

I do it on dunes and levin because I'm not even motivated enough to finish 8 leves a reset as it is, and thus am not even making max faction points, and the group has done it as well so I want to pull my own weight. Plus enough people do those runs every reset that that faction's going to give **** points, since it'll be in first place.

I just wish the population weren't so anal about THA BEST no matter how silly it makes them look to achieve it. There are a horde of players who would kill themselves, strip naked, emote like buffoons, eat food till they puke, and other self-deprecating things just for a little attention and padding on their rewards.

What's the price for dignity these days? I'm sure it's next to nothing in this game, but still.

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Its not even about THA BEST. Its about keeping leve parties quick and simple. I dont know about you, but I'd rather just focus on 3-4 leves and finish in an hour rather than drag it out over 3 hours doing every leve and getting terrible SP.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Logging in for 2 hours out of every 36 and following around in a group of 8 people to fight enemies which die in about 5 seconds doesn't teach you anything whatsoever. 2-5 person grind parties at least require you to use abilities. Obviously it's still not ideal, because the SP caps off far too early which discourages fighting harder enemies.

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can you show me where i said a thing about party grinding?

leve fail = leve complete with one less mob.
leve fail > than solo grind since it involves a party.

at no point did i say a thing about party grind, but of course you take my post and try to twist it into something it is not.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

I guess I'm a sucker but I'd still like to hold out hope that this doesn't hold true. They promised they would make future dungeon content more challenging, and I think a LOT of us are going to leave if it's as easy as the joke NMs we have now.

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i think the majority of us want more challenging content, but i asked which direction the game is going not where we hope it will change to. they nerfed the nm's just because eventually the thing they were in discussions about possibly looking into then to consider preparing for initial basic features would maybe one day need them to be made easy. that's about as vague of what they are talking about as they are.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

leves are absurd. You should have to grind on mobs just like in every other FF game. This easy mode is bullcrap.

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only ff where you had to grind is ffxi, every other ffxi you would get enough exp just walking to the boss and fighting it to beat the game. For some of the extra stuff you had to grind.

I do agree leves as the best sp overall is not too good for the game itself. people dont touch 90% of the game.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

at no point did i say a thing about party grind, but of course you take my post and try to twist it into something it is not.

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I really didn't mean to suggest you were, so I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't trying to attack you or something, so there's no need for hostility.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Wait, people actually have claim wars over NMs that spawn multiple times per hour and have terrible drop tables and were released 6 months ago and have been nerfed so hard that they can mostly be done with 1-3 people? I doubt it. I'm on the same server as you are and the last few times I happened to pass through an NM area during its window nobody was there and it was wandering around.

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They sure do, we get into claim wars all the time with some of the asian LSes. It's happened a couple time with my little friend's LS as well (I think that's why he's really mad. Aside from the fact that a few of his members left counting Sheep for Abaddon.)

Those shitty drop tables are part of the reason why. If loots drops don't happen often you have to fight he same mob more to get the gear. On Saturdays there always seem to be at least two groups hunting the buffalo.

I view failing leves as cheating and the lazy way to play the game, might as well bot or conduct RMT. I have done the fail leve/repeat thing a few times though so I am not innocent in this.

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Originally Posted by SAMINUS

I view failing leves as cheating and the lazy way to play the game, might as well bot or conduct RMT. I have done the fail leve/repeat thing a few times though so I am not innocent in this.

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Right, because failing leves is like having someone else level for you or like afk leveling.... that makes no sense at all.

All you're doing by failing leves is making the game less monotonous by making the length of the grind shorter.

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Originally Posted by SAMINUS

I view failing leves as cheating and the lazy way to play the game, might as well bot or conduct RMT. I have done the fail leve/repeat thing a few times though so I am not innocent in this.

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you can look at it however you wish, but botting and rmt are against the tos and leve failing has been given approval of by the dev's. if you don't know cheating is not following the rules and this is not the case. i'm sorry you feel that you are above getting sp within the rules.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Right, because failing leves is like having someone else level for you or like afk leveling.... that makes no sense at all.

All you're doing by failing leves is making the game less monotonous by making the length of the grind shorter.

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AFK leveling isn't against the rules, so what's wrong with that? "All you're doing by AFK leveling is making the game less monotonous by making the length of the grind shorter."

I don't actually support AFK leveling, but doesn't the same logic apply? Both methods are within the rules and exploit flawed game mechanics to gain SP at a faster rate than normal play in a method nearly completely devoid of effort, so why is one any better than the other?

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Originally Posted by Raikki

I don't actually support AFK leveling, but doesn't the same logic apply? Both methods are within the rules and exploit flawed game mechanics to gain SP at a faster rate than normal play in a method nearly completely devoid of effort, so why is one any better than the other?

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I don't think it does. AFK leveling is against the ToS, failing leves is not. If you don't believe me, search the ToS for 'absentee play'.

...actually, I'll just quote it for you:

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Activities that destroy game balance
Activities that destroy game balance
Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

The following activities are also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV.
•Modifying, analyzing, integrating and reverse engineering game data
•Utility creation and distribution
•Exploiting SQUARE ENIX programming that does not run as intended to gain profit or damage other players

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