Despite its flaws, i like this game a lot

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Originally Posted by Mikita

You are right that everything is subjective.
May I also point out that saying that "the positives are so few in number" is also subjective? ^^

My subjective viewpoint is that SE got a lot of things right with this game, and I know many of my in-game friends agree: storyline, a myriad of quests for all the different jobs, crafting, being able to play my character in a variety of ways and mix and match skills, being able to equip any item I want, etc.

Of course, the things I like are often things that other people here hate.

It's all subjective.




Saying that people who hate and/or have left the game are the "majority" is still an assumption.
You may be right, but there are no numbers to prove or disprove it.

Fortunately for me, I see a vibrant community of many, many long time players on my server who far outnumber the regular posters I see here. So from where I stand, the negative viewpoint is the minority.

Again, though, it's all subjective. ^^

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Well im glad you seem to agree with the point i made in my post. I know that me saying there are a lack of positives is subjective, thats why i expanded on that further down. However if you truely think that the amount of people that left outnumbers the people who stayed is subjective, then i'm sorry i have to say your wrong and i wish i had numbers to prove it to you concretely but unfortunately i dont so i have to just make this a your wrong argument, which i hate doing. They took down the ability to see server numbers for a reason, and they got such negative reviews for a reason. And like i said all those things you find positive, a larger number of people despise. Watch/read any review of the game. My point however was not to argue with anyone and talk about how this game sucks. I can tolerate it, however i made this post to put in to perspective WHY there is a lack of positive feedback. Anty nailed the one reason which is that positive things dont need discussing. The other point though is that the positive things are far more debatable and subjective than the negatives. The majority of people left, this is fact or wed be being charged right now. All these people have similar viewpoints from what i have read and watched on what is wrong with this game so it is only natural that alot of certain negatives be plastered all over the forum.

edit: also i hate to do this but i have to point out the specific thing you like in the story line and job missions. These are largely regarded jokes of missions, more often then not they are about as involving as ripping tissue paper, and the job quests.....god...from a marauder's point of view they are terrible. I mean hell the first mission has me go to a lighthouse and chase a bunch of rats around with my giant axe. The amount of epic in alot of these quests are severely lacking. 90% of mobs are docile creatures and unthreatening, i mean hell have you ever grinded sheep for skin? i felt like i wanted to cry how unawesome it felt slaughtering those things.... But if you truely do like the storyline, thats cool you have your opinion, however to me they are missing out on FFesque epicness and your hand is pretty much held by npcs through most of em.

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Yes, you would definitely get that feeling if you judge by the tone of the forums.

I humbly beg to differ based on what I see.

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Wait wait, stop please...FFXIV had about 600K preorders, based on that alone you would infer that more people hate the game than those who like it. If SE is building a game ground up again, they want to target the people that left, not the people that stuck around because quite clearly the people that stuck around are easier to please considering they pushed through the agonizing first few months of the game. And even if the people who stayed just up and left because of changes the game sees, it would hardly harm the game any more than its already harmed, considering SE is probably aiming at 500K to 1000K player base as opposed to the handful that play today.

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Originally Posted by KaiKatzchen

I will agree with this from what I can see on my server... a lot of the people on my server have been around pretty much since the beginning. A lot of the LS's I see on my server are the same LS'es that started when the game was released. Many of the people in my shell have been around since the beginning as well, and still play.

I'm not going to play the number game because we don't know how many started the game, we don't know how many people are still playing and we don't know how many have left. The numbers game that people play is pure speculation on a persons part to prove their point, if that be the positive or negative of the game. But when it comes down to it, we do not know how many people are on each server so we do not know how many are actively playing.

All I can say is that I see people everywhere on my server and we do have a lot of people playing all the time, so I am pleased from my view point at the amount of people wanting this game to succeed and willing to play it out.

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Hi Kai!

I hope we can eventually pay visits to other worlds someday.
It would be really nice to meet you in game!

Until then have fun, keep smiling, and know that there are many others like the people you know on Mysidia. ^^

p.s. - I've highlighted in red part of your post that I think needs to be emphasized.

Only reason I still play 14 is because of my ls. But is see potential in this game, and I have had some fun times playing, pretty sure I have gotten my 19.99$ worth.

too me FFXI and XIV has always been about the social experience. i loved how in XI you needed to meet people to lvl up effectivlely, at least you did when i played dunno what changes has been made over the years but i hear its more solo friendly anyhow, i love the same thing for XIV. when this game first came out you needed to be social and make good friends to be able to get stuff crafted and progress well, it was just about running from point a and finding a guy with a ! over his head and doing what he wanted. But yah, for me FF brings a better social experience to an mmo genre than others have, but thats just me =)

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Originally Posted by Mikita

Hi Kai!

I hope we can eventually pay visits to other worlds someday.
It would be really nice to meet you in game!

Until then have fun, keep smiling, and know that there are many others like the people you know on Mysidia. ^^

p.s. - I've highlighted in red part of your post that I think needs to be emphasized.

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It would be great to meet you too! Feel free to contact me if ya like. Im on Lodestone and xivpads too! :D You keep having fun as well!!

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Originally Posted by Sagagemini

@Kai
And Kai, i get you.
Sorry if i ofended you in any way. It wasn't my intention.

It just makes me really sad to see a game with such a potential going straight downhill lol.
IMO the game didnt improve that much.
It still lacks a lot of things and its been 8 months since the release.

People, including me, are getting tired of waiting.
They'll have to either make this game F2P or cancel it.

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Nah! You didn't offend me in any way and didn't directly attack me like some, I was just talking in general and responding to what people say. Other peoples opinions don't really bother me because they are allowed to feel the way they want to feel, I only get upset when people attack me for no reason other than they don't agree with my opinion. lol :)

I agree that it still has a while until it will be up to par, and while I wish it would go faster... SE is going to work at SE pace. I just hope they get it to a place were they can get PS3 people involved. I don't think they will canceled the game, they have too much invested in it. Even if they only have 100,000 players...

100k x 12.99 is still about 1.3 million a month and about 15.6 million a year in subscription fees. 100k players now a days isn't a lot for a MMO, but I'm sure they would be happy with 15.5 mil a year...

I told myself I would give them a year... FFXI turned around in about a year in time for US release. I'll see where the game sits then, and then make a decision on what I wish to do. There is another MMO coming out, 'The Secret World', that also looks interesting so I'll see how that goes as well. I love trying new MMO's when they come out to get a feel for what they are. :)

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Originally Posted by Mikita

Hi Kai!

I hope we can eventually pay visits to other worlds someday.
It would be really nice to meet you in game!

Until then have fun, keep smiling, and know that there are many others like the people you know on Mysidia. ^^

p.s. - I've highlighted in red part of your post that I think needs to be emphasized.

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The numbers really arent speculation though, i hate when people use this argument because everyone knows damn well that a large portion of people bought this game at launch and a very small portion stayed. Just cause there are no exact numbers does not make this any less valid. Context clues gathered by examining every step SE has taken are enoughf or people to read between the lines and see the truth. I'm happy some people are having grand ol experiences but many of us arent. And i hate when people think that everything is peaches and cream just cause they are having a great time.

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The numbers game that people play is pure speculation

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The numbers really arent speculation though

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"There's NO CAKE PLATE that demonstrates I ate the cake!"
"No, There IS!"

*silence*

"uh... show i-"
"NEVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

a.K.a. i can haz leenks aboot dut pwees?

It's ok, I can't really play that many hours or i'll get bored so I just log in a few times a week and do some leves with ls mates and then log out.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

The numbers really arent speculation though, i hate when people use this argument because everyone knows damn well that a large portion of people bought this game at launch and a very small portion stayed. Just cause there are no exact numbers does not make this any less valid.

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It is true that X amount of people bought the game. When things started going bad Y amount of people left the game due to whatever reason they had. But as the game has been updated and the updates have been put into effect not only have some of the Y amount come back to the game, but we also have a new basis which is Z who have entered the game.

X = Original Players who bought the game at start
Y = People who left the game during the time the game has been up.
Z = New players who have bought the game anytime since, or recently.

So...
We don't have an exact number for X.
We don't have an exact number of how many Y left.
We don't have an exact number of how many of Y have returned.
We don't have an exact number of how many of Z have entered the equation since.

Then you have the -quantity- factor of, we have no way of knowing how many people are on all the servers. Therefore we can not properly formulate the following percentages:

How many people are playing.
How many people are not playing.
How many people have join the game since the first influx of starter players.

So since the definition of speculation is:

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spec·u·la·tion (spky-lshn)
noun

Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.

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Any 'numbers games' people play, even if they are more towards the right and not the wrong, is in fact, pure speculation because the basis of the facts are based on inconclusive evidence since we do not have solid numbers.

I'm not saying that people who argue that there are more people that left than that stayed are wrong, nor am I saying they are right. I am simply saying that people can say either side, I could say I feel more people are playing now than are gone because the people on my server have increased greatly. In the end that is just how I feel from what I see in the game, but I do not have the data needed to support my feelings. Until SE gives us exact numbers of:

How many copy's were sold since start date vs how many people are playing the game at this present time

We do not have exact numbers, and without exact numbers no one can say 'this is how it is and I am 100% correct that this is true' due to the simple fact that if people don't have exact data to back them up, it is considered speculation. So it is not a silly argument, it's logical facts and no matter how correct it is... it can not be considered 'fact' until SE gives solid numbers.


Edit: Why is my sig broooooken?! XD