Since when is Bard an Archer?

Hello peeps, can some one explain to me how a bard which plays a flute and buffs people with war cries and songs , is actually and archer in ff14 ? I only have experience with bard in ff11 and it deffo didn't have a bow !!

FFXIV =/= FFXI

How are you so late on this, we've know arc=brd for months now, if you need explanation maybe you should look and see BARDS don't use HARPS in this game, since there will be no job specific weapons, brds will be using bows, even after that the weapon advertised is like a bow-harp, more bow than instrument. Please check concept art readily available and the new job weaponskill video on youtube before posting something everyone already knows.

Since SE needed another support class and ARC was the only one that even remotely made sense compared to what was left.

(I'm going to be a bit straight-forward with my answer here. But don't take this as a flame or a personal assault.)

Bards are musicians, yes. But I don't recall there being a rule that states bards can't be archers or whatever. Let's be honest here, a bard could be anything besides being someone to spread tales through music. S/he could be a monk, swordsman, mage. S-E simply decided to make it an archer this time. With the nifty tool of carrying a harp that can change into a bow.

And as far as I can tell, yes this is a final fantasy game. And no, this isn't final fantasy XI

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

How are you so late on this, we've know arc=brd for months now, if you need explanation maybe you should look and see BARDS don't use HARPS in this game, since there will be no job specific weapons, brds will be using bows, even after that the weapon advertised is like a bow-harp, more bow than instrument. Please check concept art readily available and the new job weaponskill video on youtube before posting something everyone already knows.

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Oh I see , well I knew arc unlocked bard I just thought it was strange that arc would unlock bard but didn't think much of it until I watched the new job weapon skills and wondered why they showing arc and then realised it was the bard and I was like wtf ?? Any how I find it very strange that a Mage job Is now more a mele jon

Taken from the Final Fantasy wiki:

Bard

Bards (吟遊詩人 Gin'yūshijin?) use songs to cause effects, often buffing the party or debuffing the opposition via the Sing command.[4][12][35] They generally equip harps as weapons

in FFXIV bard use harps.

It just happens that FFXIV is badass enough to make bows transform into harps and back again depending on the abilites used.

Because a bow is a harp with one string

Because you're used to the idea that bards are FFXI bards.

D&D bards use swords, daggers, bows AND spells in addition to songs and war cries. They're also experienced thieves.

There isn't a single definition of what a bard does, besides songs.

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Originally Posted by Vydos

(I'm going to be a bit straight-forward with my answer here. But don't take this as a flame or a personal assault.)

Bards are musicians, yes. But I don't recall there being a rule that states bards can't be archers or whatever. Let's be honest here, a bard could be anything besides being someone to spread tales through music. S/he could be a monk, swordsman, mage. S-E simply decided to make it an archer this time. With the nifty tool of carrying a harp that can change into a bow.

And as far as I can tell, yes this is a final fantasy game. And no, this isn't final fantasy XI

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Fair point ! I guess the ball game has changed slightly!

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

Because a bow is a harp with one string

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I like this answer the best.

Traditional bards in D&D leveled skills of fighters and theives so the use of a bow is not strange at all.

As I said before Yoshi-P must have got the bard/arc thing from DQ, and before now SE has had an pretty lame brd build until now fighting with a harp was always kinda....lame?

slappn the bass mon

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Since SE needed another support class and ARC was the only one that even remotely made sense compared to what was left.

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Would have made more sense to release Bard as a class, like how it was going to be.

they should have made a thief class and have the storyline as the "redeemed" thf that loves music and bam, BRD job is made~!

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Originally Posted by Isaveron

Would have made more sense to release Bard as a class, like how it was going to be.

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True. But they decided to go with what they already have rather than work on new classes at this time. c'est la vie.

Personally, I would have preferred to be a RNG but BRD it is. And if I don't like it, there is always BLM.

In White knight chronicles the bow skill has songs to restore mp, a little hp etc, so its not a new idea for bard and archer to be linked.

Just thought I would throw that in here.

Wasn't Edward in FFIV able to equip a bow?

Since a week from now.

Since they couldn't figure out how to incorporate a concertina into a great axe.

My dreams of squeezing out the tune of 16 men on a dead mans chest in combat dashed upon the rocks.

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Originally Posted by DoubleEcho

Wasn't Edward in FFIV able to equip a bow?

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To spoony to think about it?

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Originally Posted by Griss

Since they couldn't figure out how to incorporate a concertina into a great axe.

My dreams of squeezing out the tune of 16 men on a dead mans chest in combat dashed upon the rocks.



To spoony to think about it?

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Tellah will never forgive him.

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Originally Posted by DoubleEcho

Wasn't Edward in FFIV able to equip a bow?

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ooooo this is true.

Since musketeer is in limbo, archer made sense to them. (no El Mariachi in XIV)

Bard can use anything. Proof right here.

http://t.qkme.me/3564m3.jpg

I would prefer it if my Bard could charm pets

and cast shadows

without even using a sj

Archers becoming bards has been the natural order of things for over a decade!

http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/i...ok_Online).png --> http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/i...ok_Online).png

You're awesome if you know the reference :)

It seems like an oxymoron because Archers (from what I've seen) try to stay stealth like and quiet...hiding in the trees or staying far back then shooting their enemy out of no where (they don't really try to draw attention to themselves lol like HAY GAIZ IM OVER HERE NOW IMA SHOOT YOOOU) vs bards who are entertainers...they are supposed to be the center of attention, playing loud music and letting their presence known...so yeah I have no idea...

bard = music ! nothing else is in stone.

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Originally Posted by Finchley

Hello peeps, can some one explain to me how a bard which plays a flute and buffs people with war cries and songs , is actually and archer in ff14 ? I only have experience with bard in ff11 and it deffo didn't have a bow !!

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All of the firsts Bard in Video game do shoot arrow, but until much later do they take one in the knee.

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Originally Posted by Griss

Since they couldn't figure out how to incorporate a concertina into a great axe.

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They could do a Bard DMC3 style, swinging Guitar like an Axe.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

It seems like an oxymoron because Archers (from what I've seen) try to stay stealth like and quiet...hiding in the trees or staying far back then shooting their enemy out of no where (they don't really try to draw attention to themselves lol like HAY GAIZ IM OVER HERE NOW IMA SHOOT YOOOU) vs bards who are entertainers...they are supposed to be the center of attention, playing loud music and letting their presence known...so yeah I have no idea...

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You are confused that BRD will be the only job for ARC, there are plans to expand jobs per class. Also Archers do not always try to stay hidden and quiet, what's with firing flaming arrow in the middle of the night and all...

The quiver can be a flute.

http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/up...p-bard-bow.jpg
http://zantetsuken.net/wp-content/up...p-bard-bow.jpg

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-not-be-a-Bard

This may come to a surprise to the OP and a few others, but this and other similar discussion have already transpired is the archer forums. I know, I know, what kind of fools actually puts threads in there appropriate sections right? I mean I can't say I blame the OP for not knowing that. I mean what kind of person would actually even bother to check the ARC section to post and discuss ARC's. Thats just cray right?

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Since SE needed another support class and ARC was the only one that even remotely made sense compared to what was left.

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This is probably the most realistic answer lol...

bows are not uncommon as said for bards to wield, 2 straight from the top of my head that I can think of is Edward from FFIV and Leliana from Dragon Age both used bows

As many already stated, bards aren't just singers, but fighters as well. In the western folklore, bards have ofted bows or daggers, so forget the ffxi's bard this time, at least until they're using the mandolin fighting style (i know, i put this video in every topic like this, but it work)
The bard !

Bards in other games and books (A Song of Ice and Fire for example) use daggers, axes and other weapons, so it makes sense for one to use a bow.

As for the "This isn't Final Fantasy XI!" argument, I know of a certain Spoony Bard who used only instruments as weapons and I believe other Bards in other FF games only used music as weapons instead of actual weapons, and last I checked this is a Final Fantasy title. Final Fantasy Bards.

This thread AGAIN? I could have sworn there was a thread before with this exact same title.

Anyway, Archer to Bard actually makes sense to me. Bard is mostly a support role, they give out the song buffs and all. It would make sense to give that role to a class with a ranged attack, since they'll be moving around the battlefield and often out of melee range of the enemies. Making a ranged support job is really the best way to do it since their range allows them to move freely where they are needed.

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Originally Posted by Vaen

Archers becoming bards has been the natural order of things for over a decade!

http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/i...ok_Online).png --> http://cdn.wikimg.net/strategywiki/i...ok_Online).png

You're awesome if you know the reference :)

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I was just thinking of posting that...

Thancred is a bard and uses throwing knives. :o

I wanna see bards hitting the mobs with a banjo.