Lore behind Ozma?

Well I recently did Weeping City and Ozma had to be my favorite boss, they should've saved him for the end in my opinion.

What do we know so far about it?

Yeah, I'd like to know what Ozma is exactly.

According to Cait Sith, Ozma was used to devour entire cities and when Ozma does suck the party in you see distinctly Nymian structures - complete with Oschon's symbol.

Ditto; I'm surprised we didn't get a little more context. I tried to find information specifically relative to XIV over IX and I didn't get anything.

So it's a strange sphere used by Mhach to destroy cities. Inside of Ozma is a torn-apart Nym, and within that Nym is an Ozmashade; I assume this creates a paradoxical loop resulting in the presence of the "singularity" mobs and inverted Atomos. I posit that it's a magickal construct, perhaps made of highly-condensed astral and umbral energies (hence the halves of the sphere and the presence of "banish" magicks (Holy) and "scourge" magicks (Doomsday). That kind of raw gravity and power might screw with time and create a nesting paradox.

But, honestly, I got nothin'... lol

The salt from countless players gave birth to being known as ozma and their tears sustain his sphere like form for all eternity.

I noticed the Nullstone seemed to be made of a similar substance, especially when Cait Sith transformed it into a staff.

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Originally Posted by FinalWolf

The salt from countless players gave birth to being known as ozma and their tears sustain his sphere like form for all eternity.

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http://i.imgur.com/YeZOU.gif?noredirect

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Originally Posted by myahele

Yeah, I'd like to know what Ozma is exactly.

According to Cait Sith, Ozma was used to devour entire cities and when Ozma does suck the party in you see distinctly Nymian structures - complete with Oschon's symbol.

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I think it was also said that Ozma was a created as a defense system to guard the pyramid.

Final Fantasy IX? He's a primal made up of light and dark energy and was locked away, like in XIV his powers come from those who believe in him and because he was locked away and forgotten about he took on that form because no one knows what he once looked like

Final Fantasy XIV in this game he's a defense mechanism of some sorts created by mages to keep out intruders and protect the weeping city [Citation on the mage part? Went to go look up on wiki to confirm what I learned and that was new]

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Originally Posted by FinalWolf

The salt from countless players gave birth to being known as ozma and their tears sustain his sphere like form for all eternity.

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But we all know that this is canon ^
Your salt fighting him is also going to make him even more stronger leading to more wipes so Good Game and get good.

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Originally Posted by Yasuhiro

But we all know that this is canon ^
Your salt fighting him is also going to make him even more stronger leading to more wipes so Good Game and get good.

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The Glorihole (Extreme) when? :P

I should mention that Black Hole and the subsequent phase implies that Ozma is (was?) a Dimension onto itself. Considering the rest of the raid and another certain grup of precursors. I would not be surprised that the Mhachi would be capable of manipulating and creating pocket dimensions. (ON a side note I couldn't find the Oschon symbol during my trip and the videos I seen, oes anyone ahve a snapshot of it?)

Does anyone have an in-world citation for the "defense mechanism" bit?

I missed it and it'd be nice to have something for the bestiary beyond Ozma: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'll check the other languages; between the meteors and the "devours cities" thing, it strikes me as more of an offensively-minded construct, so I'd prefer know for sure before I go writing it down, lol. I mean, it's clearly one of the layers of protection between invaders of Mhach and the Nullstone. Perhaps it could even be a failsafe for if Mhach bit off more than it could chew. But was it created for that purpose, or was the Nullstone's pyramid just a convenient place to store it between meals of enemy nations?

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Does anyone have an in-world citation for the "defense mechanism" bit?

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I think Cait Sith said something to that effect...which means It's time for me to head off to Youtube...

and It seems all Cait Sith had to say about Oza was that it's in the way and that we must defeat it, bacillary. The whole defense system thing might just be speculation and headcannon at this point

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

(ON a side note I couldn't find the Oschon symbol during my trip and the videos I seen, oes anyone ahve a snapshot of it?)

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Here's what I got

http://i.imgur.com/jq9iSzz.png

Seems like the platform where it sucked us into had the Oschon symbols on them. I guess I need to look at the CS again, but Cait Sith was talking about defense mechanisms of which Ozma was probably one of them.

Afterall, Forgall was trying to break the ward placed in the entrance of the pyramid (in his brief text) and then there was that giant monolith on the way to Ozma. After Ozma there's Caifosteri

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Calofisteri haunts the Tomb of the Nullstone as the relic's self-appointed guardian. This mighty sorceress of Mhach achieved a twisted form of immortality by combining the power of aether-infused crystal with the ritual consumption of voidsent blood.

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Back on the subject of Ozma, it does seem like he's got a dimension within himself where the people/cities sucked will be obliterated via the meteor it summons within itself?

I'm going to assume the world Ozma sucks the party into is a world he devoured which is probably Nym going by what I found on the Final Fantasy General wikia. I'd love to know more about XIV's interpretation of Ozma, he was a weird boss then full of mystery and nothing has changed in 2016's rendition of him.

He might look like a giant marble but he's also pretty fascinating.

See, now I'm disappointed.. When I first realized the Parrock was now an actually zone, I was excited, claiming 3.3 to be the best patch for the dozenth time... Yet, going back... There is still no Rammbroes equivalent for the Shadow of Mhach... I was always disappointed with him after Syrcus Tower, given he didn't provide much lore on the bosses there, but now SE has just dropped that idea entirely? Really disappointing that they don't have Cait Sith sitting in the Parrock (well, she(?) is sitting around there...) providing us with some lore tidbits on Void Ark/Mhach and the bosses we encounter...

Seems wierd that such advanced civilizations, capable of making dimensions and contracting demons, could fall apart from a flood.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Seems wierd that such advanced civilizations, capable of making dimensions and contracting demons, could fall apart from a flood.

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We don't know much about that Umbral Event other than its source: the Elementals and Oha Sok, their rage manifest. However, given the fact that the Void Ark was so high up for so long, we can probably assume that it wasn't your average flood. We've seen how weird Aether can make natural occurrances.

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Originally Posted by Wolfandre

We don't know much about that Umbral Event other than its source: the Elementals and Oha Sok, their rage manifest. However, given the fact that the Void Ark was so high up for so long, we can probably assume that it wasn't your average flood. We've seen how weird Aether can make natural occurrances.

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When you arrive at the city Cait Sith actually mentions something to do with how high the water was when he was last there. 'Flood' seems to be entirely the wrong word to describe the disaster. It sounds to me like it was actually a tsunami taller than the pyramid of Mhach... Not at all surprised something like that would wipe them out, technologically advanced or not.

When you look at the way, ozma changes and the information SE gave us beforehand, u know 2 things.

1. Ozma is a defense mechanism between the outer and the inner border for the null stone.

2. It is an energy source, that nourishes most of the parts in Mhach as said in the prereview of SE.

Mythical floods can get pretty deep. Considering the Sixth Umbral Calamity refers to torrential rains that led to the building of an Ark? I'm guessing modern historians would put the water level somewhere around 22 fulms and 6 ilms above the summits of the highest mountains.

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Originally Posted by Cipher_Zaabiz

1. Ozma is a defense mechanism between the outer and the inner border for the null stone.
2. It is an energy source, that nourishes most of the parts in Mhach as said in the prereview of SE.

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Going back to some stuff from earlier, I did come up with a citation for "defense mechanism". It's a Yoshida interview with Famitsu.

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Famitsu
今回のボスもすべて妖異ですか？
Are all of the bosses going to be voidsent?

Yoshida
基本的にはそうですが、オズマはマハの魔道士たちが作り上げた防御機構と呼んだほうが正しいかもしれません。
Basically, yes, but Ozma was created by the mages of Mhach and it might be more correct to call it defense mechanism.

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Where is the energy source bit from?

I'm interested in how the FFXIV lore compares to Ozma's lore of origin in FFIX. Any observations on that?

I actually like the fight.

Every time he casts "Blackhole" I always think of "Blackhole Sun" By Soundgarden and find myself humming that song during that casting.

I'd assume Ozma is the space that separates two points in reality. To get into the top chamber of the pyramid we need to go through it since no one is around to turn it off or turn it into a doorway. By Caitsith's description its a dreadful sphere that has devoured whole cities. Given that there are some Atomos' in side of it. I'm just assuming it was made in a manner similar to Atomos or from it. If anything the inside does look a little like a stripped down Walk of Echoes, only cleaner and sun light. Same ominous hole in the sky and below the platforms.

Is it me or does part of the sound effect played during "black hole" sounds like laughing near the end when you appear at Atomos?

Why does Ozma have a world and atmosphere inside of it? I assume bad things happen to those that stay but then how dies everything grow in there? or is it a simulation?

if its a similation, why would it make exits, and easy listening music, and fluffy rainbow birds?

Well, the world inside of it is a swallowed Nymian structure of some sort, so I'd guess it's a piece of reality literally transposed inside of Ozma (which kinda makes you wonder what was left in the space it used to occupy). As for the birds and the other adds, they're all called things like "singularity shards" or whatnot, so maybe they're physically-manifested quantum phenomena of some sort?

Well... quantum shit notwithstanding...

The innards of Ozma are a great big causal anomaly. It apparently ate Nym, or at least parts of it, atmosphere and all; everything that was on the outside - oxygen, air pressure, ground, aether, etc. - is now on the inside. The adds are known as "Singularity [X]," implying they too are causal anomalies - there's no way they should be able to exist, and yet they do. Ozma is evidently bigger on the inside. It's a giant causal violation.

As for the gentle music, it's implicitly to get you to stay in there forever (or at least until Ozma casts Doomsday). If you look at the Ozmashade while it's casting Assimilation, you get an Assimilated debuff that will stack as you continue to look at it until you're stuck in, I believe, a "Singularity / Assimilation Gaol" and can't move or attack. You're just so amazed by Ozma(shade) (or your brain is freaking out at the sheer impossibility of it) that you don't want to do anything.

With the fact that Ozma is so large and the anomaly on the inside is clearly structures swallowed, it makes me wish that we can further explore it on the inside to see what other treasures or lands we can discover. Makes me feel that some kind of buried, time lost weapon is in its core just waiting to be discovered and wielded once again.

How deep does the Rabbit hole go?

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

How deep does the Rabbit hole go?

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Infinitely deep.

It's a quantum singularity, after all.

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

With the fact that Ozma is so large and the anomaly on the inside is clearly structures swallowed, it makes me wish that we can further explore it on the inside to see what other treasures or lands we can discover. Makes me feel that some kind of buried, time lost weapon is in its core just waiting to be discovered and wielded once again.

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Something tells me that might also be part of Ozma's plan, after all we can't grab the Nullstone if we're too busy being amazed into stupor or looking for ancient weapons (cough*Omega)

Plus whne you think about it, Ozma is a time lost weapon, As Cilla points out it is a causal anomaly, one that was weaponized and destory the parts of Nym that weren't Tonberries. I imagine that if Mhach survived the War of the Magi or worse, if Allag had managed something like Ozma, that Hydaelyn would had been destroyed rather easily.

Of course the Ascians might see that as too much of a risk for their plans if such weapons were used prematurely...on the "Prime" world, But I can imagine them setting up one of their rejoinings with an Ozma of one of the fractured universes devouring the Hydaelyn(planet) of the same universe, with the Elemental's Flood symbolizing the loss in the Prime universe

Just musing, but we're still not sure where the Ascians play into this Umbral Event. We can sort of assume they appeared to the Elementals, as they summoned Oha Sok to bring the Calamity about. But what if they also appeared to Mhach and Nym as well?

If we assume a little bit of Ozma's lore from FFIX and apply it to FFXIV, perhaps Ozma was what was left over of a Mhachi Hydaelyn/Void crossover summoning. A pseudo-primal, then? Straight conjecture. I have no real basis for my ideas, but I just can't help but shake the Ascians have a lot of blame to take for the onset of the War of the Magi.

Everything inside that Pyramid is a defence mechanism.

My personal take on the Ascians is that they bring the next Era by rising one civilization above the rest, just with knowledge apparently. Honestly, they don't need to do much else.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Inside of Ozma is a torn-apart Nym, and within that Nym is an Ozmashade; I assume this creates a paradoxical loop resulting in the presence of the "singularity" mobs and inverted Atomos. That kind of raw gravity and power might screw with time and create a nesting paradox.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Seems wierd that such advanced civilizations, capable of making dimensions and contracting demons, could fall apart from a flood.

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I've got it! The Mhach didn't die they escaped into another dimension where time does not exist! Having enslaved Atomos to do their bidding they constructed Aetherytes to spread across Hydaelyn's past present and future; roughly at the beginning of each Astral Era. They're goal? to steal gil from adventures across the ages and obtain the ultimate victory through time compression. And of course; they are all Lala!

Meteor and Ozma, both examples of the ultimate in Time/Space magic. (woulda just said time magic but I dunno how common knowledge it is that Time Mage in japanese is closer to Time/Space)

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Originally Posted by Cilia

quantum shit

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The thought that he sucks you into a black hole got me thinking a little. One of the theories that at the center of a black hole is a worm hole. What if, instead of being a causal anomaly, Ozma is actually just a physical worm hole? It sucks us in and we're met with....stuff. Weird stuff. Incomprehensible-to-the-human-mind stuff. It didn't eat Nym, it just threw it somewhere else in the universe via a fold in the Void. The monsters we see are what we assume to be ripples and other weirdness, but they're actually leftovers of Nym. We get past all that and ride the worm hole back. After we destroy it, it inverts and throws matter out rather than sucking it in, rebounding us to the top of the pyramid.

This is all bypassing the assumption that the WoL is immune to the effects of spaghettification and other physics nonsense that renders human bodies incapable of still being called human bodies. Oh, and also assumes that the WoL remains sane on the other side of all this.

I have no idea what I'm doing.

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Originally Posted by Alaltus

I've got it! The Mhach didn't die they escaped into another dimension where time does not exist! Having enslaved Atomos to do their bidding they constructed Aetherytes to spread across Hydaelyn's past present and future; roughly at the beginning of each Astral Era. They're goal? to steal gil from adventures across the ages and obtain the ultimate victory through time compression. And of course; they are all Lala!

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And their leader is Rowena ! That explains how she always get to be at the "good place" for gils and how she knows about the look of antic stuff, she travels througt time thanks to Ozma !
It all makes sense !

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Originally Posted by Cilia

As for the gentle music, it's implicitly to get you to stay in there forever (or at least until Ozma casts Doomsday). If you look at the Ozmashade while it's casting Assimilation, you get an Assimilated debuff that will stack as you continue to look at it until you're stuck in, I believe, a "Singularity / Assimilation Gaol" and can't move or attack. You're just so amazed by Ozma(shade) (or your brain is freaking out at the sheer impossibility of it) that you don't want to do anything.

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And then you get killed by a enormous meteor if that is not a perfect defense weapon I don't know what else is. almost like a creepy version of a moth lamp :S

What if Mhach were actually enslaved by the moogles? The possibility of dreadful moogles that destroyed nym as a prank or even a mistake since the red button glowed in the same shiny color as the moogle balls, and they just eradicated nym.

Like: your moogleness, the communication system is up, you just need to push the button.

"moogle boss commences to push the red button"

Why is it not working?!

Your moogleness, you pushed the kill button.

My bad, send them some nice flowers as apologies. But at least ozma looked totally funny spinning around.

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Originally Posted by Cipher_Zaabiz

But at least ozma looked totally funny spinning around.

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Maybe it's ancestor of ADS? Both looks like ball so...

Not sure if this has been covered before but I feel like Ozma probably sucked up the part of Nym that was over in Outer La Noscea, there's all that open nothingness in the Floating City of Nym area where there's just floating rocks and such left. Seems like something Ozma could have caused, assuming there was anything there to begin with.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too: that Ozma was used to devour Nym itself. Maybe this was what the "calamity" that the SCH weapon was used against? Though it does mention an aetheric wind disaster, so it could be something else

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Originally Posted by Eul

Maybe it's ancestor of ADS? Both looks like ball so...

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The Allagan drones also appear in teardrops and cubes. Not to mention Allag Pre-dating Mhach and the Drones lacking the ability to transport you into other dimensions (at least that we can see)