Please Don't go through with the removal of Kaiten.

I speak as a BLM main who is ever hopeful that this doesnt eventually happen to my favourite job.

At least PLEASE just revert the change in a subsequent patch. The removal of kaiten literally makes the kenki gauge the shinten guage, anyone spamming the hell out of shinten will miss out on the extra damage kaiten affords a player whose willing to pay attention to their resources. This change marks a homogenization of dps which, albeit a minor one, could mark the introduction of new changes like this, and the homogenization of classes and jobs like this doesn't make good game design, it makes boring and bad job design. I fully understand if you like simple play styles. That's cool, and I respect that. But if that is the case please show yourself to reaper, summoner and dancer. While I also get that some people may think that the removal of kaiten is very minor as its only one job that is affected and the change is only to the kenki gauge let me make it super clear. It makes the kenki gauge from something that SAM players had to think about a bit before hitting the shinten button, into a gauge that just tells them how many times they can shinten. It removes ALL thinking in relation to that resource and that is just flat out bad job desgin. If the FFXIV team wanted to reduce button bloat in SAM there were many different ways it could have been done; like make ikishoten and namikiri into one button, make shoha and shoha 2 into one button with appropriately high damage and falloff, same could have gone to Hissatsu: Guren and Hissatsu: Senei.

Just please don't make this button go away, not because it's the end of the world but because if SAM players lose this now, theres a very good chance of simalar things happening to other complex jobs and SAM. simplification of complex jobs to make them more accessible is just flat out bad for the game in the long run, WoW tried to make the game as accesbile as possible and look how that dumpster fire turned out. Again I mean no offence or insult to players who prefer simple play styles, what I am saying however is that those jobs already exist and I would rather not lose a complex job to over simplification for no reason.

Feel free to reply to this thread but I may not bother I just made this to make sure that at least one other person is telling the FF team that I DO NOT LIKE THE CHANGE TO SAM, to be honest that is it but I do feel very strongly about this as I have lost a great MMO to accessiblilty, oversimplification and homogenization before (albeit the simplification and homogenization were not in class balance but in other places in the game but they made the sections of the game they were in far worse for no reason). I have said my bit. Please listen FF team. Ty.

Honestly, I'm kind of impressed BLM has made it this far.

Won't be long though.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

Honestly, I'm kind of impressed BLM has made it this far.

Won't be long though.

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Ley Line as a buff instead of a ground-targeted area incoming.

Black mage will be fine. Yoshi P mains it. Literally every other job however...

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Originally Posted by RatmanJones

Just please don't make this button go away, not because it's the end of the world but because if SAM players lose this now, theres a very good chance of simalar things happening to other complex jobs and SAM. simplification of complex jobs to make them more accessible is just flat out bad for the game in the long run, WoW tried to make the game as accesbile as possible and look how that dumpster fire turned out. Again I mean no offence or insult to players who prefer simple play styles, what I am saying however is that those jobs already exist and I would rather not lose a complex job to over simplification for no reason.

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Healers have been saying that for years and everyone just laughed at healers and said: "NO, YOU HEAL, NO DPS. HOW DARE YOU WANT YOUR COMPLEXITY BACK!!!! HEAL MORE EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T NEED TO!"
And now everyone else gets to feel a small amount of what healers have been feeling for 2 expansions now.

There has been people mentioning how bad DPS and tank roles will feel if they were simplified and you just lose things to do. We warned ya. No one just paid heed to us until it was their turn to feel it.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

Healers have been saying that for years and everyone just laughed at healers and said: "NO, YOU HEAL, NO DPS. HOW DARE YOU WANT YOUR COMPLEXITY BACK!!!! HEAL MORE EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T NEED TO!"
And now everyone else gets to feel a small amount of what healers have been feeling for 2 expansions now.

There has been people mentioning how bad DPS and tank roles will feel if they were simplified and you just lose things to do. We warned ya. No one just paid heed to us until it was their turn to feel it.

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The knife hasn't been twisted hard enough yet. They need to learn more.

Let's wait til SE feels the need to remove Form Shift from MNK, Fang and Claw/Wheeling Thrust from DRG, Armor Crush and Hide from NIN, Soul Slice and Soul Scythe from RPR, Tank Stance and Invulns in general for Tanks.

To anyone who think no kaiten won't be that bad, go do a kaitenless rotation on a dummy and see how bad it feels in comparison

I'm perfectly fine with kaiten being removed. The reason they gave I don't think justifies its removal as other skills Samurai has could've been consolidated better - but kaiten is a superfluous button anyway. I enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed dark arts in stormblood: Which is I didn't at all. On the subject of dark arts, I preferred the version in HW where it actively changed a skill or added a new effect to a skill. It just being a potency increase was just uninteresting. Busywork for the sake of it.

This by no means indicates I want to simplify the job more than it already has become. I just want additions to feel like a benefit, not a tax.

But then it will highlight the difference between the inexperienced and veteran players. Therefore Kaiten must be removed to close that gap.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

Honestly, I'm kind of impressed BLM has made it this far.

Won't be long though.

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I mean, BLM has gotten easier to play over the years.