Tenacity Question

Any guesses on how much DPS loss I'm looking at by switching over to Tenacity from Strength or Tenacity from Crit/Det? (Warrior)

I know people out there use all or some Tenacity materia, just curious if anyone has actually compared the two.

I know SE has set us up this way, but it feels really weird being a tank and not feeling tanking (glorified DPS).

Thanks

Its hard to determine because warrior has guaranteed crit and DH and the window is contributing a lot to overall dps.

Depends what do you want to build but i think it may be around 2.5-3% of overall dps for like 4% mitigation extra.

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Oh and you never switch STR for anything else, 25 str on the accesories has the biggest impact on performance from them all.

If you mean on accessories, tenacity instead of strength is a huge loss in potential dps and an incredibly minor gain in defense. This raid tier tenacity is very underrepresented, and as such, you lose a lot more than you gain going after it than you did in the last raid tier.

Assuming WAR BiS compared against an i370 full tenacity build on a striking dummy, it's around 4500 dps for the BiS and 4150 dps for the tenacity build. So around an 8% dps loss on a dummy which would be even higher in a raid setting.

For the mitigation gain, there's 800 ten (2% mitigation) on the BiS and the full ten set has 1750 (6% mitigation).

So you'd end up trading 8% dps for a 4% mitigation increase. Odds are the 8% dps is going to end up being more useful than the extra 4% mitigation.

As an anecdotal side note; having cleared the first 3 savage fights, there weren't any points during prog where having extra mitigation from tenacity would have saved a tank death that proper cd management would not have.

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Originally Posted by FicoJM

Assuming WAR BiS compared against an i370 full tenacity build on a striking dummy, it's around 4500 dps for the BiS and 4150 dps for the tenacity build. So around an 8% dps loss on a dummy which would be even higher in a raid setting.

For the mitigation gain, there's 800 ten (2% mitigation) on the BiS and the full ten set has 1750 (6% mitigation).

So you'd end up trading 8% dps for a 4% mitigation increase. Odds are the 8% dps is going to end up being more useful than the extra 4% mitigation.

As an anecdotal side note; having cleared the first 3 savage fights, there weren't any points during prog where having extra mitigation from tenacity would have saved a tank death that proper cd management would not have.

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Do you know the items of each builds?
Seems pretty unrealistic.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Do you know the items of each builds?
Seems pretty unrealistic.

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This was the war BiS I used, I didn't save the tenacity set since I just threw it together. The larger than normal dps gap is because I swapped out some str materia on the right side because the OP specifically mentioned dropping str.

I got the striking dummy numbers from this tank dps sim spreadsheet and I got the mitigation amounts from this stat interval spreadsheet.

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Originally Posted by FicoJM

This was the war BiS I used, I didn't save the tenacity set since I just threw it together. The larger than normal dps gap is because I swapped out some str materia on the right side because the OP specifically mentioned dropping str.

I got the striking dummy numbers from this tank dps sim spreadsheet and I got the mitigation amounts from this stat interval spreadsheet.

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Ah thats why, well thats no surprise. :P
I believe the dps difference without touching STR would be much less around 3%