Raise in PVP

Parties with a summoner with swift cast + raise. This is just unfair as any party with a summoner has a clearly unfair advantage. Summoner dies... healer raises... healer dies summoner raises. You can't win unless you kill both in under a minute of each other which is nearly impossible with well experienced players.

Possible Solutions:
1. Remove raise in battle from all classes other than the healer.
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2. Allow raise as a sub skill to be used in battle so all setups can have a backup raise to make it fair.
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3. Make raise sickness in pvp much more detrimental so that their dps or heals are significantly reduced when in raise sickness.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

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Raised SMN has no mana and cannot resummon pet unless they have aether flow up.


Get on VOIP and PVP, swapping to a raised target while two people sit healer or another DPS is not hard to do.

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Originally Posted by Foullacy

Raised SMN has no mana and cannot resummon pet unless they have aether flow up.


Get on VOIP and PVP, swapping to a raised target while two people sit healer or another DPS is not hard to do.

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Your solution works in theory but its much harder to do when you are actually in game especially if you have 2 melee dps. Also, what happens when you add a second summoner to the mix and a scholar whos fairy will heal the weakened summoner instantly? Now you have three players with instant cast raise and a fairy that heals anyone that gets raised pretty much instantly if the player themselves does not. Another major problem with this is that a large portion of the player base is on PS3 and cannot use VOIP to have this type of coordination unless pre-planned.

Raise is a viable strategy and nothing more. Its anoying but when a person is revived they can be killed in
1 or 2 hits by a melee dps especially if the healer is distracted with healing other players / themself.

Pro Tip: Gladiator can swiftcast Rez too.

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Originally Posted by Gooner_iBluAirJGR

Raise is a viable strategy and nothing more. Its anoying but when a person is revived they can be killed in
1 or 2 hits by a melee dps especially if the healer is distracted with healing other players / themself.

Pro Tip: Gladiator can swiftcast Rez too.

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Gladiator cannot swiftcast rez in PVP unless he doesnt attack or get attacked the whole fight. If you equip raise from a sub class you are not allowed to use it during battle. I'v tried. Not a pro tip, sorry.

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Originally Posted by DividedSky

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Fairy heal is not significant, if you cannot kill a raised player you're more than likely not communicating with your team, it's too easy to interrupt heals.
Our PS3 player uses mumble.

Fairy Heal is 3/4 of a Physick/Cure. It is no way close to being weak, Adlo is only 2 times more effective than a Fairy. If you can Swiftcast Raise as base class everyone will be running around with Piety materia and Swiftcast games to a stalemate.

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Originally Posted by Gooner_iBluAirJGR

Raise is a viable strategy and nothing more. Its anoying but when a person is revived they can be killed in
1 or 2 hits by a melee dps especially if the healer is distracted with healing other players / themself.

Pro Tip: Gladiator can swiftcast Rez too.

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Sounds like a Noob tip actually. CNJ raw Raise cannot be used during battle. Battle raise is learnt through a trait that only healers get so the PLD/GLD CANNOT raise in battle, they would have to stop attacking/being attacked to get out of battle

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Originally Posted by Bankai305

CNJ raw Raise cannot be used during battle. Battle raise is learnt through a trait that only healers get so the PLD/GLD CANNOT raise in battle, they would have to stop attacking/being attacked to get out of battle

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Actually here is a pro tip friend! Once you are in combat in wolves den you cannot get out of combat therefore only arncanist classes or whm can res people!

Topic has been brought up / beat to death in ~234029348854843 other threads. SE has already acknowledged balance issues with SMN. We just have to hope that this is one of the abilities they plan to adjust.