FINAL FANTASY XIV Forum - Lore https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/ en Thu, 17 Sep 2026 06:03:30 GMT vBulletin 60 https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/images/misc/rss.png FINAL FANTASY XIV Forum - Lore https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/ 7.56 Instanced Area Mystery https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531534-7.56-Instanced-Area-Mystery?goto=newpost Wed, 16 Sep 2026 07:49:35 GMT A discovery was made some days ago and, after seeing a different one than before from a streamer today, I decided to put more effort into... A discovery was made some days ago and, after seeing a different one than before from a streamer today, I decided to put more effort into investigating what this meant.

Please mark any likely spoilers. ( [ HB ] Text goes here [ /HB ] )

After completing the MSQ in its entirety, I noticed a minion (a blue owl) flying alongside the Unmoored Isle.

Now, this was already cause for speculation as it was, but then I reentered to check dialogue for a discussion and didn't see them again. Had I bothered to look, I would have likely seen what I saw today on a stream, a different minion (a crow) perched on a crystal near where the owl once flew.

I watched as they left and reentered and we collectively discovered two fish on the farther edge of the top!

It was incredible, but no further changes appeared before the stream ended. Wanting to document this and share with my company, I reentered the instance. Here, I discovered a fourth (and so-far final) pair of minions (a betta and gaelikitten) on the rightmost side of the isle.


I come here to speculate as to what these may mean. There was a post concerning this on Reddit, but there was little interaction and all comments focused more on the Norse connections than possible attachments to the story to come, helpful as the latter may be to the former.

Thank you in advanced for your contribution. ]]> Lore SouthSeas_NPC https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531534-7.56-Instanced-Area-Mystery Tales under the Golden Sun #7: Our Prologue: An Epilogue https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531338-Tales-under-the-Golden-Sun-7-Our-Prologue-An-Epilogue?goto=newpost Fri, 11 Sep 2026 13:25:23 GMT https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../sidestory_07/

Well, I didn't expect to get hit by one quite this heavy.

So... now we know how Cahciua died.

And who Shale lost.

And what the actual experience of regulator memory loss was like... and how at least Shale responded to the spectre of it.

I apologize to Lumull's story: you got beaten as the saddest short story and it's not even close.
]]> Lore Cleretic https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531338-Tales-under-the-Golden-Sun-7-Our-Prologue-An-Epilogue Revelations from Patch 7.5: Trail to the Heavens https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531187-Revelations-from-Patch-7.5-Trail-to-the-Heavens?goto=newpost Tue, 08 Sep 2026 11:43:59 GMT I forgot to set this up for the main patch, but better late than never – it's time for 7.56!

Spoiler-tag your comments with coding: [ HB ] Text goes here [ /HB ] ]]> Lore Iscah https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531187-Revelations-from-Patch-7.5-Trail-to-the-Heavens Tales under the Golden Sun #6: An Old Routine https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531059-Tales-under-the-Golden-Sun-6-An-Old-Routine?goto=newpost Fri, 04 Sep 2026 11:07:29 GMT ...well, I think this is maybe the last short story focus character any of us expected! ... ...well, I think this is maybe the last short story focus character any of us expected!


https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_under_the_golden_sun/sidestory_06/

I think if you're combing this for new information, there's not much outside of a stronger idea of what life in Treno is actually like, and just how horrifying the Doomtrain actually was for them.

...this is also maybe the single saddest short story we've ever gotten.Not just for how dour it all is, but how routine it is. The loss of Lumull and Eyaney's parents didn't even get the honor of being an exceptional day; it's just one in a million.
]]> Lore Cleretic https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531059-Tales-under-the-Golden-Sun-6-An-Old-Routine <![CDATA[What if Dawntrail had Seekers of Adoulin's plot? *Spoilers for Adoulin and Dawntrail*]]> https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531045-What-if-Dawntrail-had-Seekers-of-Adoulin-s-plot-%2ASpoilers-for-Adoulin-and-Dawntrail%2A?goto=newpost Fri, 04 Sep 2026 03:52:41 GMT FFXI: Seekers of Adoulin and FFXIV: Dawntrail have a similar premise: the player character is invited to explore the New World.

FFXI's story summary:

- long time ago, King August led an expedition to conquer the continent, making alliances with many races, including guardian beings (This is similar to Gulool Ja Ja uniting many races to build Tulliyolal)

- His team encountered an ancient ruin, from which terrifying creatures started appearing. (This can be Dawntrail's Golden City and the creatures can be Alexandrian's invasion force)

- King August and his team sacrificed themselves to seal the place, leaving only 1 survivor to send a message to his people: never explore the wilderness again. He also made a pact with the guardian beings to guard the seal. (In Dawntrail, this can replace the electors, so instead of electors, they're guardians of the Golden City seal).

- Centuries later, current chancellor Ygnas decided to open up the wilderness again because they're short of resources. (In Dawntrail, Gulool Ja Ja could invite the WoL to investigate because the he felt the seals were weakening and he's getting older or Zoraal Ja could usurp Gulool Ja Ja and wanted to find the Golden City for power).

Possible Dawntrail plot:
- Gulool Ja Ja, Ketenramm and Galuf found the Golden City. Krile's parents appeared from the portal, left Krile to them and warned them to seal the Golden City. Some Alexandrian forces made it through and fought Gulool Ja Ja with the trio barely made it out alive. They sealed the Golden City and left the keystones to each Tulliyolal tribe.
- 6.55: Wuk Lamat and Erenville arrived at Sharlayan to warn the scions that Zoraal Ja usurped Gulool Ja Ja and planned to seek the Golden City to gain power and invade the rest of the world
- Bakool Ja Ja also wants to seek the Golden City because Mamook lacks resources (Mamook faces similar problem to real Dawntrail). He's not a jerk in the storyline, just desparate. A scion could support him here, maybe Thancred
- Koana, a Sharlayan graduate, also wants to seek the Golden City to study it for possible application like inter-reflection travel. Y'sthtola would support Koana here.
- Wuk Lamat wants to find the Golden City before Zoraal Ja does to prevent its misuse of power.
- Krile still wants to find the Golden City to find out about her parents



Dawntrail's storyline that can be kept with this plot:
- Visiting the various tribes (pelu-pelu, mamook, moblins etc) to gain their trusts
- Alexandria's motivation to invade the source could stay the same: they need souls to keep Living Memory alive
- 7.1-7.5 can stay the same, leading to Evercold.
- Yok Huy's method of memorializing the dead could be kept to maintain contrast with
Alexandria
- Mamook's resource problem

Dawntrail's story that would be cut:
- Shaaloani. I don't know how this would fit in this plot
- the 30 year time gap, which is my least favorite part of Dawntrail. ]]> Lore Yuella https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531045-What-if-Dawntrail-had-Seekers-of-Adoulin-s-plot-%2ASpoilers-for-Adoulin-and-Dawntrail%2A Question about item names/translation: Shisui Joi, Faire Joi, Yozakura Joi https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531014-Question-about-item-names-translation-Shisui-Joi-Faire-Joi-Yozakura-Joi?goto=newpost Wed, 02 Sep 2026 19:41:56 GMT I'm curious about the name origins behind the tops of the Shisui/Faire sets (Faire Joi, Shisui Joi of [job role]) and the recently-released Yozakura set. The JP version uses the term "上衣" or uwagi, for the tops on these sets. (Coincidentally, the only time I've seen the term "uwagi" pop up in EN is for the "#55 Garlean Officer set, as "Uwagi #55.")

A cursory search for the term "joi" brought no clear answers, aside from a clothing brand and certain other topics outside the age rating for these forums. ]]> Lore milladee https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/531014-Question-about-item-names-translation-Shisui-Joi-Faire-Joi-Yozakura-Joi <![CDATA[I can't relate to the Warrior of Light]]> https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/530987-I-can-t-relate-to-the-Warrior-of-Light?goto=newpost Tue, 01 Sep 2026 12:29:28 GMT Am I the only one who feels this way, or do others feel the same?

I can't relate to the Warrior of Light as a character at all, and it feels like the dialogue choices were written for a younger generation. I feel like my character is a mighty Roegadyn or Hrothgar who slays gods and the like (which the character does, of course, but the dialogue options reflect that specific persona, you can't really choose to be more reserved or indifferent).

It also feels like you're just the bodyguard for your friends, Alphinaud or Alisaie, for example.

It simply feels like I'm playing a character that isn't mine. The only thing reminding me that it is my character is the appearance I created myself.

You also can't choose a friendly option when speaking to characters like Zenos, Emet-Selch, or other villains. It’s also a bit creepy how Zenos is into you "in a weird way."

It comes down to the fact that I can't identify with the main character I'm playing, the Warrior of Light.

Do others feel this way, and if so, why? I know the game dictates the plot, but that doesn't necessarily have to apply to the dialogue choices you make regarding what the character says.

If you feel the same, what bothered you the most in the story? ]]> Lore Hazelx3 https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/530987-I-can-t-relate-to-the-Warrior-of-Light <![CDATA[What's stopping Elidibus from *Stormblood / Post-Stormblood Spoilers*]]> https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/530979-What-s-stopping-Elidibus-from-%2AStormblood-Post-Stormblood-Spoilers%2A?goto=newpost Tue, 01 Sep 2026 07:05:50 GMT Bringing a canister of Black Rose to the Rising Stones and release it there, killing the scions and the warrior of light? Bringing a canister of Black Rose to the Rising Stones and release it there, killing the scions and the warrior of light? ]]> Lore Yuella https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/530979-What-s-stopping-Elidibus-from-%2AStormblood-Post-Stormblood-Spoilers%2A <![CDATA["Race/Miqo'te Name Conventions" Lore Misunderstanding?]]> https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/530977-Race-Miqo-te-Name-Conventions-Lore-Misunderstanding?goto=newpost Mon, 31 Aug 2026 21:40:48 GMT EDIT: Thank you, TikkoAkure, for telling me about the editing to make posts longer! This was initially much shorter, so I have changed it to how it... EDIT: Thank you, TikkoAkure, for telling me about the editing to make posts longer! This was initially much shorter, so I have changed it to how it was originally written.

So, when I was entering FFXIV for the first time and making my character, I wanted to read a bit up on it, figure out the lore and so on. I decided to go for miqo'te and Seeker of the Sun, mostly for aesthetic reasons, and found the official forum post(s) that explain some general lore for the playable races and the nomenclature.

In it, Gildrein writes this about the miqo'te nunh:
"For a male Seeker of the Sun, there are only two positions available—breeding males (nunh – pronounced ‘noon’) and all others (tia – pronounced ‘tea-ah’). All males are born as tia.
[…]
Nunh status does not equate to leadership within a tribe, and in fact, very few nunh ever become leaders."

It is especially the latter part that I want to focus on. I found it interesting how the Seeker culture in other lore places I checked were described as patriarchal, but here said that actually, nunhs are not actually leaders. I thought it interesting how the clan did not go for the "alpha male = leader".

However, it also annoyed me for years that, whenever we met a Seeker tribe, it was fairly obvious that the nunh was, in fact, the leader of the tribe. I did not understand how the writers could be inconsistent with a pretty clear lore detail, except for their personal sexism bleeding into their writing.

I have been bothered by this for years now, until I sat down and reread some summaries of the miqo'te. And I realised something that repeats in most if not all of them: Nunhhood is treated as being the same or associated with leadership and being chief.

Everything that is bolded is by me:

Encyclopedia Eorzea vol. 1 on Miqo'te Culture: “The Seekers of the Sun are a highly patriarchal culture, with each tribe centered around a strong breeding male (nunh) whose duty it is to form a harem and lead his people to glory and prosperity."

Encyclopedia Eorzea vol. 1 on U’odh Nunh: “[…] Upon returning home, it is said the Seeker of the Sun challenged the previous nunh to combat, and won his harem and leadership of his native U tribe.”

U'tykha Tia in the quest "U Don't Know Me": “[…] I intend to lead this tribe, and it will be all the easier to beat him bloody if I keep my dislike of him intact.”

U'khuba Tia in the quest "Survey Says": […] This brings us to the issue of which one of us will next lead our tribe. Unlike U'tykha, the matter of who becomes the next nunh is one I take most seriously. Each of us represents a distinct vision for what lies ahead."

(in these U quests' context, it is pretty clear that the characters speak of leading through the act of becoming nunh.)

M'rahz Nunh in default optional dialogue: “[…] Should it come to pass, then it will fall to me to guide my people through the flames, for I have the rare and unfortunate honor to serve not only as nunh, but as leader of my people.”

This was the first time I witnessed a character separate the Nunh title and leader position into two separate things. However, within the same tribe we get these comments:

Encyclopædia Eorzea vol.2 on M’aht Nunh: “Together with his fellow nunh, M’rahz, this Seeker of the Sun once led the people of the M Tribe."
M'zalikko in optional dialogue: “Our father, M'rahz Nunh, is leader of the M tribe. […] Although there was a time our lands were vast, and two nunhs led our people."
M'rahz in the quest "A New Contender": "I can only assume he means to assume the role of nunh and leader of our people. Tradition dictates the strongest among us must take the position, so I gladly face any who believe they are fit to lead."
M'rahz Nunh in the quest "Down But Not Out": "There was a time when the M tribe was led by two Nunhs. In the common tongue it is often interpreted as chief of the tribe, but first and foremost we are a father to our people. […] His spirit burns bright as ever, but he will need more than spirit if he wishes to lead.”

From this last one, I would take it to mean that in the M tribe, the Nunh title and the leader title are indeed connected. I would say the last comment is like saying "the nunh is considered the father of our people, and our people consider the father the head of the tribe", thus the father, the Patriarch, is indeed the leader in this culture which IS canonically described as beint patriarchal.

Encyclopædia Eorzea vol.2 on J’dyalani Abah: “Born in Ala Ghiri as the only daughter of an inn proprietress, J’dyalani lost her nunh father in battle when the Garleans invaded. […] The experience imbued J’dyalani with uncommon tenacity which, together with the leadership and openness she inherited from her father and mother respectively, made her a leader figure in Ala Ghiri."

So also here we get a quick comment that specifically her nunh father is associated with leadership.

The only other nunh I think we know about is Y'rhul Nunh, who is a rare case where he is described as not being a leader of his tribe, rather being out and about as a gleaner. Not that I have read the short story talking about him, so I might be wrong. However, he IS described as having been an attentive father to his daughters, which fit with the fatherly description M'rahz Nunh gives.

We also have Y'shtola in Patch 5.3 who says this in her optional dialogue: "As you know, in Seeker of the Sun culture, the title tia indicates a male who does not preside over territory. In regards to this, Alphinaud came to me with a consultation. The Crystarium may not be a territory in the traditional sense, he said, but our friend governed it with great leadership nonetheless. As such, would it not be inappropriate to call him “Tia”? As it is by no means disrespectful to omit the title, I told Alphinaud that he is free to do so if he wishes. But I for one intend to call him by his full name. At least until he has decided what he wants for himself in his new life."
This is sort of a weird rewording or retcon of what Tia and Nunh have been described as; Nunh is the breeding male, the sire and father (and thus, like a patriarchal society, the leader), while Tia is everyone else. A Tia man can become a nunh by acquiring new territory for the tribe, rather than defeat the current nunh, but I think a nunh's main role would still be to be the sire of the future generation, rather than just be property owner. Even so, we still have Alphinaud assume that calling G'raha with the Tia-title, ie the not-Nunh one - is disrespectful, meaning he associates or equals nunh with leadership, and Y'shtola does not correct him, instead using vague words that can be interpreted multiple ways.

After all this, I have come to wonder if Gildrein misunderstood when he was writing the post from 2013, because it simply does not rhyme with the lore we have gotten in the game, and in two of the three official lorebooks, far as I know (I do not have the third to see). Perhaps instead of being "nunhs are rarely also leaders", it was meant to be "nunh is not the same as leader, but nunhs are rarely NOT leaders". It even goes against the whole description of Seekers of the Sun being patriarchal, because "patriarchy" is defined by being a society that normally gives authority to men; if the nunh rarely leads, then they are not patriarchal (

And, IF this is correct, it bugs me that these posts have not been edited in over thirteen years; These posts were the firsts I found when I searched for nomenclature when I began playing, that I found trustworthy, and they seem to have very incorrect information when it comes to a fairly important part of the cultural structure of Seekers. It has altered how I enjoyed the game and meeting communities of my favourite playable race, when it seems like the initial information I got was actually the one doing wrong.

I don't know, am I missing something here? Has there been some explanation all along to explain this? ]]> Lore Pensola https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/530977-Race-Miqo-te-Name-Conventions-Lore-Misunderstanding Tales under the Golden Sun #5: Against the Tide https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/530913-Tales-under-the-Golden-Sun-5-Against-the-Tide?goto=newpost Fri, 28 Aug 2026 12:52:06 GMT We've got Rising short stories!

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../sidestory_05/

And this one's written in a... very different way than normal. Less of a singular tale, more of an overall biography. I don't think I like it, but WOW this gives us a lot in terms of lore.

So, two new forms of extreme sport; basically motocross on airwheels, and some sort of Even More Extreme Surfing!

And turns out Deep Blue is... nnnnot a mentally healthy person. Interesting how it's deliberately inconclusive on if this is or isn't how regulator memory removal works, too; we've never really gotten a lot of info there, and it's looking like we never will.
]]> Lore Cleretic https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/530913-Tales-under-the-Golden-Sun-5-Against-the-Tide