Add chocobos to Selbina, Mhuara, Tavnazia Safehold, more Outpost Teleport NPCs

[Ravenmore]

Does it? I guess the people that come with me are just slow then. Unless you're talking about it being inconvenient for me to get there first when I have to wait for the people that are coming with me. I guess if that's the case, then yes, I would agree.

Also, since you failed to provide a valid argument to my commentary, and rather just indirectly insult me, I'm just going to dismiss you as a troll. Good day sir.

Your dissmissing him as a troll, he provided testing showing how long it took, yes the people you with are slow.

[Paksenarrion]

On its own may not look like it takes much but if the devs see that all it takes to keep the retarded masses happy then geuss what we will all end up getting.

Or it attracts the people that wanted to play but the game was too hard for their interests.

Of course, I was completely against the removal of the CoP level caps. I didn't feel that was necessary at all. Still isn't.

[Paksenarrion]

Your dissmissing him as a troll, he provided testing showing how long it took, yes the people you with are slow.

I think I stated somewhere that I don't understand tests well. Call me an idiot or troll if you must. My opinion is that the people who take this stuff way too seriously are the ones that are going to ruin the game in the end.

Alas, I guess this will be the last convenience suggestion I make since apparently I need to stop having fun in this game.

[Ravenmore]

Or it attracts the people that wanted to play but the game was too hard for their interests.

Of course, I was completely against the removal of the CoP level caps. I didn't feel that was necessary at all. Still isn't.

Wasn't need seeing how that was the main reason given the most for people not wanting to go back and help. You are also not taking into account time it would take you to zone in talk to the NPC and zone back out.

[Septimus]

One of the primary problems in this game is that people (players and Devs alike) equate inconvenience with content and challenge. Any step to make it less inconvenient to get from point A to point B does not mean that all of the challenge is being bled out of the game or that it is "OMG EZ-MODE- it means that it is less inconvenient to get from point A to point B. Time sinks are not challenges that are defeated, they are annoyances that make people quit the game because they get in the way of the actual challenges.

Yes, chocobos in Selbina and Mhuara may not be the greatest things ever, but I can see that there are potential uses for them. For example, your server has "Ease of Exploration" and you have a Magian trial in Gustav Tunnel, the Labyrinth of Onzozo, or Bibiki Bay. Wow look, you just got a situational convenience. It's not like this is the kind of thing where the lead Dev is going to say "Well, we were going to balance all of the jobs, make Einherjar and Salvage worth doing again, put in the Last Stand, finally make the Walk of Echos into not a giant steamer, and give everyone a machine that makes ice cream and kittens; but instead we are going to spend the next 5 months doing the grueling task of putting Chocobos in Selbina and Mhuara." I doubt that adding some NPCs and copypasta-ing a few lines of dialog and code will put a serious dent in the development cycle of the game.

With that said, I don't think that they should put the Chocobos in Selbina and Mhuara. I think instead that the town warper NPCs should be able to send us to any city/town/zone that we have been in if we have rank 10 in all nations. Reward the people who have done the content and encourage the people who haven't to do it. Just because this guy used to be the standard for anything added in, it doesn't mean that he has to dictate how we play now.

[Paksenarrion]

Wasn't need seeing how that was the main reason given the most for people not wanting to go back and help. You are also not taking into account time it would take you to zone in talk to the NPC and zone back out.

I suppose I didn't factor in no one wanting to help with CoP. And the fact that I'm still bitter after no less than four runthroughs from start to finish of it. I apologize. I do tend to have selfish thinking on these parts and not think of people outside my circle, or what's left of it.

Also, I apologize for calling Raist a troll. Was unnecessary to do, and hurling insults is the lowest you can get in an argument, in my opinion. I was wrong in that case. I'm sorry. =(

[Paksenarrion]

With that said, I don't think that they should put the Chocobos in Selbina and Mhuara. I think instead that the town warper NPCs should be able to send us to any city/town/zone that we have been in if we have rank 10 in all nations. Reward the people who have done the content and encourage the people who haven't to do it.

I have to admit, I think I like this suggestion moreso than my suggestion. While it probably won't help the few newer players out as much, I do like it.

And thank you, for taking both sides of the argument into consideration. =)

[RAIST]

Reposting the results of that test in case you missed it:

Ok, now let's put it all together. Note these times will not reflect the time it takes you to actually get your chicken after zoning into Mhaura. Listing these in order of what times are the fastest for getting to Onzozo after you either OP warp from home nation, got a teleport and rental chocobo, or took an Abyssea Maw Warp.

Maw to Onzozo on foot (est.): 3:41

Maw to Mhaura, chicken to Onzozo: 4:00:31
(2:45:40 + 1:14:51=3:59:91)

OP to Onzozo on foot: 4:16:44

Crag to Onozozo on Rental Chocobo: 4:19:53

OP to Mhaura, chicken to Onzozo: 4:36:32
(3:21:41 + 1:14:51=4:35:92)

Just to confirm that the estimated time to run from maw to Onzozo on foot is indeed the fastest route, I warped back to Jueno and ran from the maw on foot. I even misaligned myself and over-shot the ramp to the beach this time and had to double back a little and STILL made it to Onzozo in 3:52:94

So, for this scenario---the ONLY case where having a chocobo in Mhaura would save you time getting to Onzozo to fight Profblix or something, is if you were in fact ALREADY in Mhaura, and even then, the time saved is only roughly 45 seconds. Abyssea Maw and a straight run on foot is the fastest route. Even if they hadn't added the abyssea maws, your better options would have been either teleport and rent a chicken, or just straight running it from the OP.

[Paksenarrion]

There's one other condition I can think of that wasn't facilitated in the test if I'm reading correctly (Again, my mind goes derpy when I read people's tested. On anything. Including my topics of interest. @_@), though I will readily admit that I believe it's a 1/12 chance each week of having this possibility.

I think it's the Ease of Exploration Mog Tablet bonus that gives you the ability to warp to Mhaura. So under that condition, and probably only under that condition, a chocobo from Mhaura would be the fastest route.

I know it's only a chance each time the mog tablets get reconnected that they'll offer Ease of Exploration, but that case would be an alternate case to the "if you were in Mhuara already" statement.

I hope I explained that right and covered the flaws in it. D=

[RAIST]

that was covered in the final paragraph, in case you missed that too, here it is again:

So, for this scenario---the ONLY case where having a chocobo in Mhaura would save you time getting to Onzozo to fight Profblix or something, is if you were in fact ALREADY in Mhaura, and even then, the time saved is only roughly 45 seconds.

That's 45 seconds differnce from when you start to zone out of Mhaura till you start to zone into Onzozo. Again, as stated at the beginning of that whole section, does not account for the time to go to the wrangler and get the chocobo. Since that option is not present it can't be tested, but there may be a bit of time lost depending on just where the stable would be located. Either way, you are talking about a trivial amount that might be as easily offset using the WotG boots to give you swift shoes effect (or you could also have the kupower in effect)--several variables could be uset to increase your movement speed that aren't applicable to chocobo riding. So those times could potentially be much closer, maybe even on the same footing depending on the variables that could be at play.

no matter how you try to spin it, in almost every version of this scenario (save 1, you being in Mhaura versus starting from OP, maw, or crag), going to a choco wrangler in Mhaura will take longer and be more inconvenient than the methods that already exist. That scenario may still be questionable considering the unkown variables.