Quote Originally Posted by Stylin View Post
Duelle, you disagree with me but pretty much made my case in your reply to Supersun. What the hell man?
Well, I think where you and I differ is more on the "worth your salt at your trades" bit. RDM as it is is currently not worth its salt in the melee department. We've gone over why in the melee thread, so no need for repeats here, though.
As for Refresh I beleive that the mistake wasn't giving RDM the spell, it was NOT giving any other mage a good MP recovery option until Scholar's debut.
I disagree. Support-oriented things should be given to support-oriented classes. It made sense for Bard to get this through ballad, but it never made sense to give it to RDM because RDM at the time was a generalist that should have been pushed towards the option of front-lining and hitting things or back-lining and healing/nuking.

This is why I also say MP regeneration should be inherent to anyone with an MP bar. Ideally, SMN, BLM and WHM would have gotten 3 tiers of Auto refresh, RDM, PLD and DRK would get 2. Refresh would be implemented as self-cast for RDM and +Refresh on gear could have been put in stuff as early as the lv70 JSE armor for those classes (though I would go and just put it on one piece of each original AF set). No need for Refresh II, no refresh-whoring forced upon RDM (cure botting would still probably be an issue, though), and so on.