High Traffic Empyrean Seal Notorious Monster's

[Kuzyk]

Ok seriously is it just me or are there people out there with some kind of tricked out bot's that can pop NM's even the 2 item nm's before you even have a chance to hit your macro?? How about multiple ??? points for high traffic seal notorious monsters, it's actually EASIER to farm +2 item's than seals... there is something wrong with that I think. And rude players that refuse to alternate pops just make things even worse. Thanks a lot for player courtesy guys. You know who you are.

[Kazen]

Just so you know... this thread also has a fairly rude undertone. If I were you I'd edit it so it doesn't get deleted. As it stands now it looks more like a complaint thread as opposed to being a thread with the purpose of suggesting multiple pops on empyrean seal NMs.

Btw, just because someone is out popping you doesn't mean it's a bot.

[Sparthos]

It's more likely that you suck at a trade macro.

Fear not, go check out another seal mob and come back later.

[Valaris]

those trade bots are out there and they are able to pop the nm within a millisecond of the ??? coming up on the server but before the ??? physically appears but usually people wont bot on their main character due to the threat of being banned the botter is typically a low lvl 30 char sitting near the ??? in the pt on an account thats expendable at least thats how its done in my server.

[Greatguardian]

Oh, okay. Can you direct us to them?

Not even kidding, last time it was seriously asked on BG no one had any idea what the hell kind of "??? bot" people were talking about. And it's BG, if someone knew they'd say something. 90% of people just use trade macros, and 9% occasionally add a windower plugin which allows people to see and target despawned ???'s. Of course, you still have to trade macro even if you can target a despawned ???.

I'm not saying it's impossible for them to exist. But to say that they're anywhere close to common/widespread is just funny.

[Kensagaku]

Will try to address these in order:

1) Learn to use a trade macro. I have two different ones depending. One is simply a [/item "item name" <t>] that I can use if my competition's not very good at popping themselves so I can just F8, macro, poof. The other is [/item "item name" <stnpc>] for the more competitive poppers. Make sure ignorepet is on so you don't target them, spam to your heart's content. Make sure there's no other NPCs around to target by accident though, can screw you up. :P

2) I'm not so worried about the seal NMs; very rarely do I ever have to compete over NMs short of body seal ones like Yaguirogui, and even then not often. I'm more worried about the NMs that are the single pop in order to get the next NM (Dhorme Khimaira, Ningzishida, Orthrus mostly). Waiting to do one NM in order to do your target NM when there's no other KIs or items you can go farm or cleave is way more annoying than waiting on a seal NM when there's two more in the zone that drops the seal you want.

3) I don't always alternate because I don't care to wait 20+ minutes for a mob that takes five to kill. If it's a group that can kill in a reasonable amount of time without zombie tactics etc, sure. I'm more than willing to alternate because they're not going to make me sit and stare into space for the time it would have taken me to kill three or four times as many of the same mob. By the time I'm done they would have done at most two pops, and slowed things down for everyone.

[Rie]

/targetnpc
/item "item" <t>

Works like a charm 9 times out of 10.

[Kazen]

/targetnpc
/item "item" <t>

Works like a charm 9 times out of 10.

Stop giving away our secrets. You can never trust those Norwegian people, they give away vidya gamez top secrets!

As someone said above, I don't mind alternating pops unless the other party is extremely slow in which I just then ignore them and pop to get mine done.

[Rie]

Sorry Kazen, but it's for your own good that some of these other players get to pop an NM every now and then. Wouldn't want them to think we're botting now, would we?

[Vold]

Oh, okay. Can you direct us to them?

Not even kidding, last time it was seriously asked on BG no one had any idea what the hell kind of "??? bot" people were talking about. And it's BG, if someone knew they'd say something. 90% of people just use trade macros, and 9% occasionally add a windower plugin which allows people to see and target despawned ???'s. Of course, you still have to trade macro even if you can target a despawned ???.

I'm not saying it's impossible for them to exist. But to say that they're anywhere close to common/widespread is just funny.

What they consider bots is probably JP players having that ever so slight time advantage due to living right next to the servers. It ain't much of an advantage but it's certainly enough to account for "they are able to pop the nm within a millisecond of the ??? coming up on the server but before the ??? physically appears"

I can also trade 2+ pop items to a ??? pretty fast while many people fiddle around with it. I just don't think trade bots exist because there's never been a dying need for one. Fact is it's legitimately not a level playing field and never will be. Stuff will not universally spawn at the same exact time for everyone. It's the unfortunate truth of living thousands of miles away from the servers and or having a less than stellar computer that has no business running FFXI.

But hey, ya know, whatever. I'm sure someone somewhere has sucked enough to write at least their own bot for personal use. After all, it'd just work against their favor to be offering it to everyone else.

BTW I don't consider it rude to refuse to alternate pops. I consider it first come first serve, and rather rude for another group of people to try to force their way into a camp because they weren't bothered to check it first before gathering their minions.