High Traffic Empyrean Seal Notorious Monster's

[Kuzyk]

Ok seriously is it just me or are there people out there with some kind of tricked out bot's that can pop NM's even the 2 item nm's before you even have a chance to hit your macro?? How about multiple ??? points for high traffic seal notorious monsters, it's actually EASIER to farm +2 item's than seals... there is something wrong with that I think. And rude players that refuse to alternate pops just make things even worse. Thanks a lot for player courtesy guys. You know who you are.

[Kazen]

Just so you know... this thread also has a fairly rude undertone. If I were you I'd edit it so it doesn't get deleted. As it stands now it looks more like a complaint thread as opposed to being a thread with the purpose of suggesting multiple pops on empyrean seal NMs.

Btw, just because someone is out popping you doesn't mean it's a bot.

[Sparthos]

It's more likely that you suck at a trade macro.

Fear not, go check out another seal mob and come back later.

[Valaris]

those trade bots are out there and they are able to pop the nm within a millisecond of the ??? coming up on the server but before the ??? physically appears but usually people wont bot on their main character due to the threat of being banned the botter is typically a low lvl 30 char sitting near the ??? in the pt on an account thats expendable at least thats how its done in my server.

[Greatguardian]

Oh, okay. Can you direct us to them?

Not even kidding, last time it was seriously asked on BG no one had any idea what the hell kind of "??? bot" people were talking about. And it's BG, if someone knew they'd say something. 90% of people just use trade macros, and 9% occasionally add a windower plugin which allows people to see and target despawned ???'s. Of course, you still have to trade macro even if you can target a despawned ???.

I'm not saying it's impossible for them to exist. But to say that they're anywhere close to common/widespread is just funny.

[Vold]

Oh, okay. Can you direct us to them?

Not even kidding, last time it was seriously asked on BG no one had any idea what the hell kind of "??? bot" people were talking about. And it's BG, if someone knew they'd say something. 90% of people just use trade macros, and 9% occasionally add a windower plugin which allows people to see and target despawned ???'s. Of course, you still have to trade macro even if you can target a despawned ???.

I'm not saying it's impossible for them to exist. But to say that they're anywhere close to common/widespread is just funny.

What they consider bots is probably JP players having that ever so slight time advantage due to living right next to the servers. It ain't much of an advantage but it's certainly enough to account for "they are able to pop the nm within a millisecond of the ??? coming up on the server but before the ??? physically appears"

I can also trade 2+ pop items to a ??? pretty fast while many people fiddle around with it. I just don't think trade bots exist because there's never been a dying need for one. Fact is it's legitimately not a level playing field and never will be. Stuff will not universally spawn at the same exact time for everyone. It's the unfortunate truth of living thousands of miles away from the servers and or having a less than stellar computer that has no business running FFXI.

But hey, ya know, whatever. I'm sure someone somewhere has sucked enough to write at least their own bot for personal use. After all, it'd just work against their favor to be offering it to everyone else.

BTW I don't consider it rude to refuse to alternate pops. I consider it first come first serve, and rather rude for another group of people to try to force their way into a camp because they weren't bothered to check it first before gathering their minions.

[Valaris]

Oh, okay. Can you direct us to them?

Not even kidding, last time it was seriously asked on BG no one had any idea what the hell kind of "??? bot" people were talking about. And it's BG, if someone knew they'd say something. 90% of people just use trade macros, and 9% occasionally add a windower plugin which allows people to see and target despawned ???'s. Of course, you still have to trade macro even if you can target a despawned ???.

I'm not saying it's impossible for them to exist. But to say that they're anywhere close to common/widespread is just funny.

did i say they were common? id like you to quote me where i said they were. I simply said they are out there so far ive seen about one or two. they are uncommon just because once reported they are banned pretty quickly. and just an fyi if you can make a bot that can fish for you, claim nms for you then you can certainly create a bot that can perform the simple action of trading a item to a ??? during the 1 second lag time that the server ??? pops and the data transmission to the players where the ??? becomes visible/targetable. people need to actually read these kinda posts carefully its not that they "need to learn to use a trade macro" they already do obviously when they state they are spamming it for the ???. what they are saying is the ??? is poped before the ??? physically appears. luckly for me ive done all my +1s for my jobs so i dont have to deal with it but not everyone has.

[Karbuncle]

did i say they were common? id like you to quote me where i said they were. I simply said they are out there so far ive seen about one or two. they are uncommon just because once reported they are banned pretty quickly. and just an fyi if you can make a bot that can fish for you, claim nms for you then you can certainly create a bot that can perform the simple action of trading a item to a ??? during the 1 second lag time that the server ??? pops and the data transmission to the players where the ??? becomes visible/targetable. people need to actually read these kinda posts carefully its not that they "need to learn to use a trade macro" they already do obviously when they state they are spamming it for the ???. what they are saying is the ??? is poped before the ??? physically appears. luckly for me ive done all my +1s for my jobs so i dont have to deal with it but not everyone has.

:Safeface:

I'm pretty sure ??? Bots don't exist, Every player I've come into contact with, Forum or in game, Has simply advocated the macro posted on page 1.

If this "bot" exists, Its very well hidden. And to be perfectly frank, bad players accuse everyone and everything of botting when they fail at something, So I'll really need some hard evidence before i believe a new super-rare underground ??? bot exists.

Really, You just had some really fast people, chances are they were speed-popping that, or that they popped so quickly your game didn't have time to register it, or it appeared/disappeared so fast you didn't catch it (its happened to me before with people in my own party, So i know it happens without the aid of a bot).

It was either probably just lag on your side or bad luck, Popping an NM before the ??? even loads would definitely throw up a red flag.

[MarkovChain]

And to be perfectly frank, bad players accuse everyone and everything of botting when they fail at something,

Because being unable to claim a ??? makes you a bad player. Watchout BG elitism guyz.

[Tamoa]

Because being unable to claim a ??? makes you a bad player. Watchout BG elitism guyz.

"Boohoo I got banned from BG."

What Karbuncle says is very much spot on. The bad players gets outpopped (and 9/10 times the bad players aren't even using a trade macro) and cry "OMG U BOTTER!". Everyone else shrugs it off and try again. It's such a nice excuse for your own fail to say the competition is botting.