Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Greatguardian]

So how about, instead of talking about how things "Should be" in the opinion of one or a few people, we talk about how things bloody are? That was the entire point, wasn't it?

Right now? In the context of Abyssea? Summoner sucks. Don't complain when you can't get shit done as quickly as everyone else with it. Nothing is or ever was stopping you from using something more efficient.

[Alhanelem]

The point of the job system is to give you the freedom to play what you want, when you want, and not have to create a new character for each of them. The point is NOT to force everyone to play all jobs and use the absolute most perfect one for every imaginable situation.

By the way, f*** efficiency. I'm sick of hearing that word. There's more to the fking game than just being efficient. If this is all you're concerned with, then you have a problem. The game has become a job at that point, not a game.

Right now? In the context of Abyssea? Summoner sucks. Don't complain when you can't get shit done as quickly as everyone else with it.

I will complain. I will keep complaining until something is done about it to make not just summoner, but ever other job that people have slapped the 'LOL' prefix on until it's not "LOL" anymore. No one should be f***ing ridiculed for playing their favorite jobs.

[Cream_Soda]

There's more to the fking game than just being efficient. If this is all you're concerned with, then you have a problem. The game has become a job at that point, not a game.

Again, then don't complain when you have to make a special group or get lower drop rate because you can't proc.

[Greatguardian]

Okay. Play Summoner then. Get fewer drops and kill slower.

I. Do. Not. Care. No one here does.

Just don't complain about not getting drops or kills as quickly as other people doing it the most effective way.

Christ, it's like you can't decide if you care about drops or not.

[Alhanelem]

Again, then don't complain when you have to make a special group or get lower drop rate because you can't proc.

Again, I will complain, because I shouldn't have to get a lower drop rate because I didn't pick the top tier job.

Okay. Play Summoner then. Get fewer drops and kill slower.

Again, I shouldn't have to get fewer drops and kill slower just because I didn't pick the top tier job. There shouldnt even BE #$%*ing tiers. The jobs should be balanced.

Christ, it's like you can't decide if you care about drops or not.

Everyone cares about drops. But drops should't rule the method by which you play. You should be able to get drops whether you want to use summoners and puppetmasters, or rangers and paladins.

[Cream_Soda]

THERES MORE TO THE GAME THAN GETTING DROPS THOUGH!

[Greatguardian]

Someone really just does not understand the situational value of job selection.

[Alhanelem]

Someone really just does not understand the situational value of job selection.

someone really just does not understand that this isn't about situationalness.

Summoner is currently of comparatively low value in more situations than any other job, and the few things it does well are not enough to make up for this. It needs an overall increase in power.

We should be arguing about how to make less-respected jobs better, not the right to suck or be awesome.

[Greatguardian]

When every job is good at everything, the individual identity of each job becomes meaningless.

Jobs are unique because they do things differently, not equally. They are all more and less effective than one another in a given context. Strategy in FFXI consists of picking out what job combinations have the strengths necessary to best work on the situation at hand, and lack the weaknesses most exploitable by the situation at hand.

The entire FFXI job system is situational. That is how it was designed. That is how it is maintained. That is how it will be for ever and ever. If you don't understand the niche strengths and the general weaknesses of your job, you do not understand your job. Period.

[Alhanelem]

When every job is good at everything, the individual identity of each job becomes meaningless.

No one said everything had to be good at everything. Summoner however is good at the fewest things and worst at the most.

If you don't understand the niche strengths and the general weaknesses of your job, you do not understand your job.

I fully understand Summoner better than you ever will. one part of one two hour ability and like about 3 fights in the game is not enough to be good at. Summoner is not designed to be "terrible, except when you need Perfect Defense.
It would not be designed with a wide range of damaging attacks and support effects if it was not designed to be useful for those things.

Let's look at another job, like Monk. Monk is good at almost everything. There's hardly a situation in the game where you can't use a monk, except where magic is absolutely required and MNK doesn't have any.

The current spectrum of things summoner is used for is unacceptable and needs to be addressed. SE is just too afraid of pet jobs having too much power.