Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Byrth]

This thread regressed from relative silence to caps and large font. I disapprove. >:-(

SE makes strategic events, and what job you play is part of that strategy. That's just how the game is.

[Greatguardian]

This thread regressed from relative silence to caps and large font. I disapprove. >:-(

SE makes strategic events, and what job you play is part of that strategy. That's just how the game is.

^. Seriously. We finally had some sort of consensus going here for a while.

FFXI was never, ever designed to allow any one player to use the same one job for everything in the world. There are 20 jobs, filling 3-4 roles (DD, Healer, Buffer, Hybrid), that are designed with enough quirks and combinations (See: Subjob system) to allow them to be adapted to fit a variety of different situations effectively.

Picking and choosing what main/sub job is best for the situation at hand is, and always has been, a fundamental part of FFXI gameplay.

[Razushu]

This thread regressed from relative silence to caps and large font. I disapprove. >:-(

SE makes strategic events, and what job you play is part of that strategy. That's just how the game is.

Outside of weird little niche fights, where a specific job might be needed. It shouldn't matter what specific jobs are brought as long as the main roles are filled(DD, Tank, Healer, Buffer/support). If it does matter then there is imbalance in the game and the jobs should be adjusted

[Korpg]

Color me uninformed, and that is very possible considering I don't do anything in pet burns, but the only pet burns I've seen take significantly more people than a "standard" kill team would. Can 3 Bst/Smns handle Kirin and other Shijin? Or the WoE Hydra?

If they can, that's cool. I'm just saying, the only pet burns I've ever seen come in the form of either 2-3 Bst/Smns kiting the crap out of everything and taking an hour, or 12-18 Bst/Smns just throwing pet bodies at things till they keel over. Can a low number of Bst/Smns kill strong NMs without resorting to Kite/DoT tactics?

Actually, yes, 3 BSTs and/or SMNs can trio most any old content in less than 15 minutes, the only one that would give them trouble would be Kirin. And only from Kirin's 2hr and pets.

[Byrth]

The roles maybe never changed, because those are fundamental roles in every MMO pretty much, but which jobs fill each role best certainly did change.

Example:
Sarameya vs. Cerberus

[Korpg]

I have seen summoners duo the Scars iron giants, and I even saw one summoner atetmpting to solo it, and he almost succeeded, but got caught in an AoE that happened at a bad time.

Um....

I solo'd all of the Scars Iron Giants, including the one that drops Razed Ruins atma. It is really easy, Ducal Guard + Leviathan = win.

[Greatguardian]

Outside of weird little niche fights, where a specific job might be needed. It shouldn't matter what specific jobs are brought as long as the main roles are filled(DD, Tank, Healer, Buffer/support). If it does matter then there is imbalance in the game and the jobs should be adjusted

Last I checked, inefficient jobs can still kill things. Just ... less efficiently. Efficiency includes drops. Next are we going to say that all jobs should have TH10 because THF has it and it's not fair that people should be required to bring THFs for TH?

[Dallas]

I do know the mob, retard fish in Vunk, very difficult to proc on? Yes, impossible? No, do you need a summoner for it? No.

I don't think anyone has a clue wtf you're talking about half the time honestly.

Then read the post I responded to and stop posting. I don't recall you contributing anything anyway.

[Dallas]

Yeah, forcing everyone to level every bandwagon job is a great idea!

In all fairness, at least Korpg and LLH appear to be bandwagon DG SMN. Bandwagon players are at no risk of replacing competent players.

Last I checked, inefficient jobs can still kill things. Just ... less efficiently. Efficiency includes drops. Next are we going to say that all jobs should have TH10 because THF has it and it's not fair that people should be required to bring THFs for TH?

That's a job you didn't include in your super-pimp WAR assumptions, but that's OK, the good players in your assumption were never the autoattack guy.

[Razushu]

Last I checked, inefficient jobs can still kill things. Just ... less efficiently. Efficiency includes drops. Next are we going to say that all jobs should have TH10 because THF has it and it's not fair that people should be required to bring THFs for TH?

No TH is a job trait of one job and in alot of cases it's only resaon for invite. TH and the proc system are different. The proc system doesn't give player's a reason to bring one job it encourages them to alienate 3/4 of them, which unless you happen to be elitist or particularly defensive of your favorite jobs position is instantly recognisible as a poorly designed system.

In a balanced game there shouldn't be inefficent jobs. If mulitple jobs fit a role then they ALL should be close enough in efficency to be at least close to equally welcome