Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Leonlionheart]

Well, with meds, and brew, anyone can solo Ovni

I'm talking about straight up solo, no meds, no brew, nothing but job abilities and kiting.

Yeah, THF can do it.

[Leonlionheart]

Even a SAM doesn't average 1 WS every 5 seconds. Its only possible with a brew.

Completely false, see Greatguardian's post.

[Alhanelem]

WAR can 5-hit 100TP in about 8 seconds assuming 0 DA and 0 TA. Since they're rocking ridiculous amounts of both in Abyssea, yes, it's nowhere near "POIDH impossible" to average 1 WS/5s. It's called Haste.

bullshiat. I know what haste is, but you need to be near the absolute cap to pull that off, and that can only be done with other jobs supporting you- And if you have those, I can too. Thus, the only gap in haste is what's on gear- SMN has haste the spell, so it doesn't need that, and the rest of the haste you need to get 100 TP that fast has to come from other sources such as haste samba, Hasso, etc.

You can sub SAM, but if I really wanted to compete in a epeen contest, I could too (but I probably wouldn't otherwise.

[Leonlionheart]

bullshiat. I know what haste is, but you need to be near the absolute cap to pull that off, and that can only be done with other jobs supporting you- And if you have those, I can too.

Here's the proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vybkARXCeCU

inb4 he wasn't solo, because who in the WORLD goes and kills seal NMs solo? You gotta be a total moron.

Oh and yes you can get march too, but your avatar- the real source of your spike damage- can't. Haste doesn't help BP recast at all.

[Greatguardian]

bullshiat. I know what haste is, but you need to be near the absolute cap to pull that off, and that can only be done with other jobs supporting you- And if you have those, I can too.

"No shit, sherlock". You can get those all you want. Your Garuda can't. You go spam your 1k Full Swing in between 0 damage WS's at 80% Haste and see how well you stack up against an 80% Haste Ukonvasara.

inb4 "Teaming up doesn't count"

[Alhanelem]

inb4 he wasn't solo

He wasn't solo.

As long as you can cap gear haste, anyone can attack that fast with all the support buffs.

[Leonlionheart]

He wasn't solo.

As long as you can cap gear haste, anyone can attack that fast with all the support buffs.

Yep, but SMN can't do 5k WS damage. Using TP. Not MP and BP Recast timer.

[Greatguardian]

He wasn't solo.

As long as you can cap gear haste, anyone can attack that fast with all the support buffs.

Okay then. So you agree it comes down to how strong the WS is, and how much damage is being dealt per hit. Tell me, are you 6-hitting your Staff? Or 7? Low delay weapons are notoriously hard to x-hit. Oh yeah, what about your attack level? Maybe 500-600 including RCB? You're not capped on even trash mobs till ~800, GL capping on anything stronger on SMN/SAM.

Edit: SMN can't cap gear haste. Prove me wrong.

[Alhanelem]

What's your point, anyway? This isn't about being the best DD ever. It is, however, about increasing SMN's damage output beyond what is typical of the job.

Edit: SMN can't cap gear haste. Prove me wrong.

I've never made that claim. And this is the ONLY disparity- being a 2hander, I could use Hasso if I really wanted, and all the other effects come from other people supporting that WAR, which means I can have all those effects too.
So we're talking about a ~2-3% haste difference, as far as I can tell. Big flipping e-peen whoop. I don't care.

This is really like talking to a brick wall, as you don't understand the purpose of this. So I will conclude by simply quoting myself from earlier in the thread, which other people have also quoted whom understand the point:

Is this strategy amazing, oh, my god the best thing there is for anything? No. Is it useable, viable, and effective, and does it expand SMN's versatility and capability? Yes, it does, and that's the whole point. I'm not suggesting anyone throw away their Soulscourges or bahamut staves or whatever else you might be using. But if you want to try something different that can be both fun and effective, that's what it's there for. There's nothing more or less to it than that.

[Greatguardian]

What's your point, anyway? This isn't about being the best DD ever. It is, however, about increasing SMN's damage output beyond what is typical of the job.

This is really like talking to a brick wall, as you don't understand the purpose of this. So I will conclude by simply quoting myself from earlier in the thread, which other people have also quoted whom understand the point:

Wrong.

I know damn well that SMN can DD effectively as opposed to sitting on the sidelines using a BP once every minute. I have said so half a dozen times now.

The issue I take, and took, and that you ran headlong into on page 3 of this thread without bothering to read for comprehension everything that was being said, is simply Dallas claiming that SMN Emp Staff can do more total damage than a Ukonvasara WAR.

Your completely misguided, defensive and over-reactive freak-out at those of us claiming otherwise has simply allowed him to skate by and attempt to safeface with absolute pile of crap excuses like "herp derp I just said it to bring out the BG spies".

Realize that some of us arguing with you are on your side, and some of the people behind you are making it a whole lot worse for you.