Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Cream_Soda]

Bullshiat. Asking a black mage to cure is like (insert something horrible you could ask someone to do.)

Besides, you're going to have a BLM anyway. You're not giving up a party slot to them.

Plus, if they have no concern other than procing, They don't even need to be in the main party.

You do abyssea with more than one party?
And blm can heal just as well as smn. Running out of mp isn't rly a concern and they're both limited to the same tier of cure.

I never said you had to give up a pt slot for a blm. I said if the mob is that easy where you don't need a whm, then you shouldn't need a smn either, you should be fine w/ the blm

[Alhanelem]

And blm can heal just as well as smn.

A BLM can't buff just as well as a SMN.

And yes, we do things with more than a party, because we have more than 6 people who want to do things. Do we ABSOLUTELY NEED more than 6 people? No. should we not allow people to come just because we have 6? No.

[Razushu]

Hey, man. If you're willing to main heal on Summoner and feel that you can do so effectively, you're welcome to it. It's not like you're missing much over Red Mage aside from Shell V, which really is a bit of a big deal. But good luck trying to convey the message that Summoner is perfectly capable of main healing, because the rest of the SMN community will likely roast you before you even get a chance to try.

I wouldn't roast him, main heal is something a SMN can pull off easily. It's not a prefered role but if someone needs me to go down that route I've no problem doing it. I've main healed low man groups against that vampire NM in abyssea vunkerl(name escapes me) and Athamas on SMN/SCH before

[Cream_Soda]

A BLM can't buff just as well as a SMN.

Necessary buffs, sure. I don't see why a blm would be incapable of doing a proper haste cycle in abyssea. Does it take a little more effort? Sure, I'm not disputing that, but are the capable of buffing just as well, they sure are.

[Cream_Soda]

A BLM can't buff just as well as a SMN.

And yes, we do things with more than a party, because we have more than 6 people who want to do things. Do we ABSOLUTELY NEED more than 6 people? No. should we not allow people to come just because we have 6? No.

It's called divide an conquer. I never said to tell people they can't come, but you can make a second group within your shell or group or whoever you go with and focus on different mobs whilst remaining in alliance for lotting purposes.

[Razushu]

You do abyssea with more than one party?
And blm can heal just as well as smn. Running out of mp isn't rly a concern and they're both limited to the same tier of cure.

I never said you had to give up a pt slot for a blm. I said if the mob is that easy where you don't need a whm, then you shouldn't need a smn either, you should be fine w/ the blm

SMN has Healing ruby II and a free ~22HP regen

[Cream_Soda]

SMN has Healing ruby II and a free ~22HP regen

If you're fighting something hard enough to where not having healing ruby II makes the diff between life and death, I think its safe to assume you should just have a whm in your pt.

[Korpg]

And I'm still waiting for you to point out where I told smns how to play their jobs, or did you just say that for w/e reason you deemed fit, without any merit of any sort?

I never said nor implied that you told SMNs how to do their job. You assumed that I did.

So I guess that's assumption number 4?

[Cream_Soda]

I never said nor implied that you told SMNs how to do their job. You assumed that I did.

So I guess that's assumption number 4?

It wouldn't be any different if I went to a MNK forum and tell them that they need to Chi Blast even more, or whatever stupid reason.

The bolded implies that I did the same, since it wouldn't be any different. If you were not implying that, then it would be different.

[Razushu]

If you're fighting something hard enough to where not having healing ruby II makes the diff between life and death, I think its safe to assume you should just have a whm in your pt.

It only needs to make the difference between an efficent main heal and Cure IV spam with not much else being added. See 2 posts above yours I stated 2 times where I main healed o NMs with no WHM and my HRII and favor regen made the difference