Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Alhanelem]

Though I don't feel my standards are unreasonable, personally.

It is absolutely unreasonable to expect or demand near perfection from everyone around you. Perfection is not critical to success, it's just something to brag about. It is also unreasonable to refuse to associate with anyone that's less perfect than you, until you reach so far down that you become unable to accomplish what you need to accomplish without a large amount of frustration or hassle.

Perfection is a laudable goal for oneself, but it is unreasonable to expect it from others.

[Dallas]

Well, why else did you come here?

You are just a MNK, you have no say in anything about Emp Staff or Melee SMN.

You are just instigating fights again, why do you even bother?

Korpg, I flushed out BG for a reason. The simple jobs snuffed out the hybrid jobs because they didn't understand them. As you can see, they still don't understand them.

This is bigger than you and me. That's why I predict this thread will get to 100+ posts. BG can't let mages melee because mages have an unparsable worth. If you can't put two numbers side-by-side, elitists get rid of it. You either do the most damage or help the guy who does the most damage.

[Korpg]

Please, point out where I told SMNs what they need to do.

Please point out your contribution into this topic

[Greatguardian]

It is absolutely unreasonable to expect or demand near perfection from everyone around you. Perfection is not critical to success, it's just something to brag about. It is also unreasonable to refuse to associate with anyone that's less perfect than you.

Did you even read the rest of my post?

My two best friends in-game are a 'main-job' Almace BLU and a 'main-job' Almace PLD. We built those Almaces together, too. Do they ever see me complain about the loss of potential Kannagis? Ha, no. But do they come on BRD and WHM when we need them to? Without a doubt.

[Alhanelem]

You're talking about one of the big-3 weapons.

You hardly need to be elite to obtain an empyrean weapon.

But do they come on BRD and WHM when we need them to? Without a doubt.

If you need something, you need something. You never NEED a dancer, you never NEED most of the jobs. That doesn't mean they can't be used once the absolute without a doubt needs are covered.

Do I demand that I be able to be come PUP if the group needs a healer? No. But if we have what we need already, is there something wrong with bringing some not-absolutely-essential job? Of course there isn't. It is unreasonable to demand that you have the perfect maximum efficiency party. As long as you have everything you need for a given activity, there is plenty of leeway to bring other jobs. The whole reason there are 20 jobs in the first place is for variety. You could easily eliminate 3/4ths of them without impacting the beatability of any fight. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with using any of them.

You have no idea how many events throughout history that I've used a summoner at where when talking with various people before the event they said "You'll never beat that with a summoner in the party" and not just cleared it with flying colors, but made a useful contribution.

[Dallas]

We must assume that mages have read your posts, GG. Otherwise, you'd have mage friends coming as mages.

[Cream_Soda]

Please point out your contribution into this topic

In regards to the OP, nothing. In regards to the conversation that was taking place at the time I stepped into the thread, check the past few pages, I've been talking about the current topic.

Though, dodging my question with one of your own, good job. I'm not the one here making assumptions and accusations. You'd have (some?) credibility if you were able to back anything you said up, but as soon as you're called out on something, you just try to find something else to complain about in its place.

[Razushu]

This is going nowhere you guys are never gonna accept SMN as a good job in any role, and the SMNs here clearly aren't gonna accept that we're useless. So why don't we all accept our inescapably different steadfast positions on it move past the argument and move on to something else, like bashing Dallas(sorry buddy, but this is your best chance to play the messiah you think you are to SMN) or something.

[Korpg]

In regards to the OP, nothing. In regards to the conversation that was taking place at the time I stepped into the thread, check the past few pages, I've been talking about the current topic.

Though, dodging my question with one of your own, good job. I'm not the one here making assumptions and accusations. You'd have more credibility if you were able to back anything you said up, but as soon as you're called out on something, you just try to find something else to complain about in its place.

What was the first post on this thread? It certainly wasn't about the topic on hand, or even something that was being talked about for the last 50 pages.

My assumptions were right on the money, wasn't it? You came here to cause problems, because that is what you are known for. Sure, you actually give some good advice when asked, but nobody asked you anything at all, and you still had to bring your nose into something that did not affect you.

[Alhanelem]

This is really getting to a point of absolute absurdity. I'm honestly surprised this has been allowed to go on for 37 pages (by my posts-per-page setting)