Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Cream_Soda]

If the SMN is hasting the party, the SMN is contributing Haste. Try to rise above the stupidity drilled into your head by BG.

this was covered twice

selective reading hurr durr and yea Korpg is a huge tard for coming to his assumption that I came here to support/cheer you on, lol

No, it's not
Group w/ you = everyone has haste
Group w/o you = everyone has haste.

There's no haste gained from you being in the party. You just alleviate the whm the tediousness of casting it fast 4 times vs you casting it once.

It doesn't matter if you Haste the group or the WHM Hastes the group. The point is that the group has Haste whether you are there or not.

If there is no SMN, what happens? WHM casts Haste. If there is a SMN, what happens? WHM casts Haste or SMN uses Hastega.

What is the benefit of SMN using Hastega? Not 15% Haste for DDs, because they have that whether or not the SMN is there. The benefit is 120-160~ MP for the WHM, assuming they are still hasting themselves and are not hasting the SMN.

Hastega is not adding Haste. Hastega is adding MP. That is not a DD buff. Heck, it is not even a boon to the WHM unless that 40-53MP/minute they save is the make/break for them running out of MP over time or not. Effective value of Hastega? Convenience. Nothing more, nothing less.

Whether you have the smn or not, you get haste.

Let's say you have a brd and get dual marches.

remove the bard, you no longer have marches.

There's a difference.

[Korpg]

You guys just need to ignore Dallas. His argument is that if it isn't him, it isn't worth his time.

[Korpg]

selective reading hurr durr and yea Korpg is a huge tard for coming to his assumption that I came here to support/cheer you on, lol

Well, why else did you come here?

You are just a MNK, you have no say in anything about Emp Staff or Melee SMN.

You are just instigating fights again, why do you even bother?

[Dallas]

If the SMN is hasting the party, the SMN is contributing MP to the WHM.

And the WAR using Hasso is taking MP from the WHM. A WHM hasting the party in the presence of Garuda is taking damage from the party and time away from curing the MP sponge.

[Greatguardian]

ITT: Only Summoners can talk about Summoner?

[Cream_Soda]

With that logic, you're just a non emp smn, you have no say on emp staff smn.

I came because it was a popular topic.
I posted because
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMiObx_zMRM

Let's see what crazy assumption you come up with next

[Cream_Soda]

And the WAR using Hasso is taking MP from the WHM. A WHM hasting the party in the presence of Garuda is taking damage from the party and time away from curing the MP sponge.

Right, because if you don't have a smn in your pt, there isn't another member there to not only replace, but exceed garuda's dmg.

[Korpg]

ITT: Only Summoners can talk about Summoner?

No, its not that, and you know it.

We are not talking about jobs in general, or MNK specifically, or the effects of anything that effects him personally.

It is about him trying to make himself look better because he needs to stroke his ego like that.

It wouldn't be any different if I went to a MNK forum and tell them that they need to Chi Blast even more, or whatever stupid reason.

He has contributed nothing to this thread. The first thing he did was point out a mistake I made 70 pages ago, one that if he even read the next 3 pages, he would see me admitting my mistake, but he still had to point it out JUST to stoke his ego.

Even then, he keeps pointing out things that were already discussed and proven just to start going after a few people. Why? Because he wants to look good to others, especially to the BG group he loves so much.

[Cream_Soda]

Assumption #2(for today, lost count in the long run), good job, sir.

[Cream_Soda]

It wouldn't be any different if I went to a MNK forum and tell them that they need to Chi Blast even more, or whatever stupid reason.

Please, point out where I told SMNs what they need to do.