Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Aurara]

smn was never considered a good healer...they were always last resort...lol

[Razushu]

Hypocrite


"Hey, I'm editing your post, but don't edit mine."

You started it and I apologise, it was meant in jest.

-EDIT- fixed it for you

[Razushu]

smn was never considered a good healer...they were always last resort...lol

At 75 I was a great healer unless something like Stona was needed

[Greatguardian]

Lots of them. The majority of them even. Your standards are top 1%. Any group can do just dam fine without a dancer.
Here's a scale for overcoming a typical challenge:

0-------------1--------^---------2-^-----#-3------4---*-5

0 = unable to win
1 = Able to win but facing high difficulty, wipes or excessive time required
2 = Able to win with minor problems in a reasonable time
3 = Able to win easily, no significant issues in a good time
4 = Nearly effortless winning in an unusually quick time
5 = Flawless victory in record time

* = your standard, based on your attitude, people you appear to associate with, use of formulas/spreadsheets etc to determine performance, and apparent achievements.
# = Standard I would hold a player of above-average experience to
^ ^ = typical range of performance for the average out of all players attempting challenge.

It is evident to me that you demand near perfection in party setup, performance, strategy and player ability; a standard you should not be holding the playerbase at large to, as it is just not going to happen.

Can't deny any of this. Though I don't feel my standards are unreasonable, personally. There is a difference between perfection and reasonable execution. I'm not Thornyy. I don't expect flawless victories in record time. But I do expect a certain amount of respect for my time and for the time of the people around me when rolling with people.

If we're going to be killing something or other, and 3/4 of us are on our top-performing jobs because we want to contribute our utmost to one another, would I feel neglected if the 4th person were to skip out on that responsibility and come +2 farming/Emp farming on SMN? Yes, just a bit. If we had all our Reds, all our Grellows, and sufficient healing/buffing around, would I care too much? Not really. Hell, a buddy of mine still comes Almace-PLD for shits when we have an unusually high number of people around and I don't care. It's only when the choice to come Summoner, or Paladin, or insert-useless-crap-here detrimentally affects the other people in the group that it's really an issue for me.

I never said that people shouldn't come SMN to things if it's what they enjoy and the group is fine without them. But SMN is basically bottom of the barrel regardless, and there's really no changing that. I've learned to accept that about PLD, and I work with it in that manner. Trying to defend a bottom-tier job is a fruitless and, frankly, pointless endeavor.

[Dallas]

GG, I know you think the idea is stupid that WAR isn't a god, but how would you credit the other 3 jobs for getting your WAR from 350 to 1000? A WAR is all take, and no give. A "contribution adjustment" is the only way a WAR can even talk to hybrid job.

I have proposed that a very generous WAR contribution assumption puts WAR a maximum 34% above SMN, fully buffed. This is compared to your 25% unbuffed. Considering that the SMN would have more contribution if you add in the buffs to DNC and BRD, this means that SMN is contributing to a party as effectively as they solo.

Sure, pet's are a crutch, MP is a crutch, but a Hver SMN is not. Take away that Ukon WS/aftermath and put on a weaker weapon and see how a contribution adjusted score runs. If the WAR starts trailing on damage, he doesn't have anything else to offer.

[Byrth]

You can't really pull out the "your standards are too high" defense in this thread. You're talking about one of the big-3 weapons. If you're getting it, your standards are high, you personally aspire to be quite well geared, and you likely play with people that feel the same.

[Greatguardian]

What is the SMN contributing again?

Because it sure as hell isn't Haste. Aside from Garuda. They're hasting Garuda. Epic contribution to the group right there.

[Dallas]

If the SMN is hasting the party, the SMN is contributing Haste. Try to rise above the stupidity drilled into your head by BG.

[Greatguardian]

If the SMN is hasting the party, the SMN is contributing MP to the WHM. Unless of course there is no other mage in the party at all. If SMN is the only mage, you have a valid point. Now good luck killing things as a Melee-SMN solo-healer.

[hiko]

if the party already have a healer (wich is the case >95%) then the smn doesnt contribute with hastega (bar saving the haster few mp/maccro press)