Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Leonlionheart]

If your BRD is 18 you have no experience. Knowledge doesn't equate to skill or experience. (That being said, BRD is about the simplest job in the game...)

If you're not taking a job seriously, as you have suggested you aren't, then you shouldn't be participating in serious discussion on it.

Good for them. I'm not a MNK or WHM, so I don't care.

IDK what game you're playing, but in this one knowledge is pretty much the same as experience.

Either way, I'm discussing the effectiveness of a job overall in terms of cold hard facts. In terms of actual feasibility SMN doesn't cut it. At all.

DPS is lower than everyone, and the only way it really does damage is every 45 seconds, when real DDs when pushing their limits can deal twice as much damage every 5 seconds.

The only thing SMN has going for it, and they are actually great things, is Kiting forever (good SMNs essentially never die) and Perfect Defense. At the moment in the game these are relatively useless however.

[Alhanelem]

IDK what game you're playing, but in this one knowledge is pretty much the same as experience.

Sorry, no. It's not the same thing. Keep trying, though.

In terms of actual feasibility SMN doesn't cut it.

It is completely totally feasible. You're just too blinded and inexperienced to see it.

DPS is lower than everyone,

False.

and the only way it really does damage is every 45 seconds,

False.

when real DDs when pushing their limits can deal twice as much damage every 5 seconds.

False. I don't know anyone that can bust out 10-15k damage every SIX (need 2 ticks for 100 TP) seconds without a primeval brew. Exaggeration and hyperbole do not help your point.

[Korpg]

Is this strategy amazing, oh, my god the best thing there is for anything? No. Is it useable, viable, and effective, and does it expand SMN's versatility and capability? Yes, it does, and that's the whole point. I'm not suggesting anyone throw away their Soulscourges or bahamut staves or whatever else you might be using. But if you want to try something different that can be both fun and effective, that's what it's there for. There's nothing more or less to it than that.

Bolded part for emphasis.

Something we can all learn from. Is Emp staves the best out there for SMN? No, because it is an alternative to a playstyle.

That's why I like talking to you Al. You don't say "if you don't melee, you are gimp and are hurting your party" and instead say what it really is.

[Korpg]

IDK what game you're playing, but in this one knowledge is pretty much the same as experience.

Either way, I'm discussing the effectiveness of a job overall in terms of cold hard facts. In terms of actual feasibility SMN doesn't cut it. At all.

DPS is lower than everyone, and the only way it really does damage is every 45 seconds, when real DDs when pushing their limits can deal twice as much damage every 5 seconds.

The only thing SMN has going for it, and they are actually great things, is Kiting forever (good SMNs essentially never die) and Perfect Defense. At the moment in the game these are relatively useless however.

I don't know of any other job that can solo Onvi.....

SMN isn't worthless, it is a great job for a different perspective player.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Dnc, Nin, Cor, anything that can pin it...

[Korpg]

Isn't that against ToS? To pin a NM against the environment?

[Neisan_Quetz]

No because he can legitimately kill you at flee speed if you don't keep moving.

EDIT: Terrain exploitation was patched by SE was because Iron Giants could be forced in a position where they were literally 'stuck' and could not hit you, ever, no matter what they did, this was an exploit and was patched. There was a patch on height but I don't remember if it was the same patch... Pinning was never condemned by SE nor was it condoned to my knowledge.

[Zetonegi]

BST can solo Ovni and it comes with TH.

[Korpg]

BST can solo Ovni and it comes with TH.

I didn't know that.

Same thing as SMN solo? PDT-87.5% and Regen Atmas out of the rear end?

[Leonlionheart]

False. I don't know anyone that can bust out 10-15k damage every SIX (need 2 ticks for 100 TP) seconds without a primeval brew. Exaggeration and hyperbole do not help your point.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Retaliation can give WARs instant 100% directly after using TP, there's a video on the war forums to prove it.

SMN DD is not even CLOSE to WAR, but it's not even close to SAM or DRK for that matter.

No one can bust out 10~15K in 6 seconds your right, but no one can bust out those spikes in 30 seconds either, or 44 seconds for that matter.

Exaggeration and hyperbole don't help your argument.