Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Neisan_Quetz]

Then remove all atma AND buffs outside what the job gan give itself. Pets don't benefit from party buffs, which is why you specifically set it up the way you did.

So you can outmelee unhasted DDs, okay.

[Korpg]

Korpg, you aren't qualified to speak for me. You aren't close.

Be quiet son, the adults are talking now

[Greatguardian]

So you can outmelee unhasted DDs, okay.

^ This. Unless you're competing with a solo WAR, in an area where everyone knows SMN is actually decent (Solo), there is no reason not to have outside buffs.

[Korpg]

But guys, a naked Ukon WAR with 0 skill on GA vs a merited Emp Staff SMN sounds fair, right?

[Greatguardian]

Makes perfect sense.

[Dallas]

I didn't tell you to stop GG, I just pointed out how you are not interested in "fair." By all means, pretend that the party setup is ever: WAR/SAM SMN/SAM WHM BRD DNC ???.

The #1 fix SE can give pet jobs is allow party buffs to impact pets. You know who said that? Me.

[Greatguardian]

It is a perfectly normal situation. All of those buffs are perfectly sustainable and 100% available to any group that doesn't suck. Whine less.

Buffs not transferring to pets is probably the hugest weakness of Summoner. That does not mean they deserve a handicap or that it can be ignored when doing a serious damage comparison. No amount of b'awww will change the fact that a buffed WAR will tear a buffed SMN to shreds.

[Korpg]

I didn't tell you to stop GG, I just pointed out how you are not interested in "fair." By all means, pretend that the party setup is ever: WAR/SAM SMN/SAM WHM BRD DNC ???.

The #1 fix SE can give pet jobs is allow party buffs to impact pets. You know who said that? Me.

See, his excuse as to why his numbers are wrong, without even having the math wiz guys work the numbers for him.

"Of course it is not fair, because I'm always right and everyone else is wrong and everyone else is against me and skews the numbers in their favor even though its both a generally accepted prinicple and well received by everyone but me, but I'm better than them because I say so!"

[Alhanelem]

The #1 fix SE can give pet jobs is allow party buffs to impact pets. You know who said that? Me.

I'm pretty sure you weren't the one who started the "let us cure and buff pets" thread here.

[Dallas]

Don't stop, GG. Only Korpg (and any idiot that listend to Korpg) thinks I said SMN can beat Ukon. I want him to have numbers. If you do manage to get the math, I'm going to quickly convert it to Korpg's BP/release style versus melee SMN.