Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Korpg]

Clarification: The "could have beens," for all the FFXI impaired BG evacuees, are all you subpar SMN who only know how to use Alexander.

Clarification: The Savior has spoke. Bow down to him or suffer the wrath of his gimp comments directed towards you.

[Korpg]

I see that, I can see the benefits of both styles(the melee side a little clearer now). They both have ups and downs and it seems that they both balance out fairly well when the circumstances allow.

Absolutely nothing wrong with melee summoners at all, when they can pull it off.

But they lose a lot of solo ability doing so, that is another problem that needs to be solved.

[Greatguardian]

Question: If it makes non-Dallas SMNs gimp by not melee'ing for the minor added damage boost it would offer, how gimp does it make Dallas for not using a job with an Empyrean that can do over 5x the damage an Empyrean SMN can?

[TybudX]

Wait, there's two melee SMNs? This thread could only be more awesome if it had ninjas throwing stuff in it.

[Korpg]

Question: If it makes non-Dallas SMNs gimp by not melee'ing for the minor added damage boost it would offer, how gimp does it make Dallas for not using a job with an Empyrean that can do over 5x the damage an Empyrean SMN can?

Don't know, probably as gimp as wasting the upgrade items it took to get it to 85 and 90 which could have been used for anything else, even flooring the items themselves.

Wait, there's two melee SMNs? This thread could only be more awesome if it had ninjas throwing stuff in it.

No, what would make this more awesome is by having an anti-cheater say that non-melee summoners are cheating when they do as good damage as a melee summoner does.

[Greatguardian]

Starcade was banned, though.

[Dallas]

Question: If it makes non-Dallas SMNs gimp by not melee'ing for the minor added damage boost it would offer, how gimp does it make Dallas for not using a job with an Empyrean that can do over 5x the damage an Empyrean SMN can?

I'm glad you committed to a number. Your shame will be delicious.

[Korpg]

Starcade was banned, though.

Damn.

I'm glad you committed to a number. Your shame will be delicious.

How long before you can photoshop or fake a parse to show you outdamage a Ukon WAR?

[Greatguardian]

Oh okay. Pull up a math-whiz. I want to see a side-by-side comparison of overall damage between a Ukonvasara WAR/SAM and a Hver SMN/SAM using Garuda and P claws, holding TP to 300% for Mykrr. Both jobs can have March+3 x2, Haste spell, Haste Samba, and Red Curry Buns, aka sustainable buff conditions for a group that doesn't suck. I assume SS RR Apoc or VV RR Apoc for the WAR, whichever is stronger. VV RR Apoc for the SMN? Or is there something better?

Byrth or Raen or someone similarly inclined mind running something like this out?

Edit: Does a level 95 monster with 420 defense and 85 VIT sound about right?

[Dallas]

Apoc does little to nothing for Pred Claws. VV/SS/RR works very well.