Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Aurara]

I think you are overlooking things. Nobody is "crapping all over smn" as you claim they are. What they are doing is being logical and pointing out things that SMN is good at(i.e EA, PD). I'm terribly sorry that you don't want to realize this, however it's the truth. SMN is not going to be better for curing, or DDing than say ukon war, kannagi nin vereth mnk, twash thf/dnc or most melee emps. We are not dissing SMN at all, we are just trying to point out that it does have limited uses. The neat thing is however, that in voidwatch smn is pretty useful for proccing and supporting the tank pt with EA. And just so you know, i'm and Ukonvasara war, with pretty much top gear, and i still get asked to WHM or THF to a lot of stuff.

[Aurara]

Except SMN excels in AV fights, and Voidwatch, because EA is awesome for DMG reduction, and PD for AV zergs. SMN is great for hateless dmg, SMN was pretty good for Odin, SMN was even good for Khimaria AND Cerberus(questionable here). But the problem is that other jobs do it better than SMN in 98% of situations.

[Alhanelem]

[QUOTE-"Aurara"]Except SMN excels in something no one cares about or does anymore[/QUOTE]
Fixed that for you.

melee SMN gives no MP extra over true SMN playstyle please stop spouting these lies

1) Yes, it does give more MP, and
2) there is no "true" SMN playstyle. You're welcome to play however you want,

Most of what Dallas says is nonsense, but I'm sorry, SMN cannot recover the amount of MP Myrkr can give through refresh and Siphon alone. These are not "lies." I challenge you to recover 1500 MP in less than 2 minutes without using ethers. You can't do it.

Even if it didn't give more MP (it does), that's not the point. The point is it allows both you and your avatar to fight continously, without running out of MP, which is the whole point of the strategy.

[Korpg]

I challenge you to recover 1500 MP in less than 2 minutes without using ethers. You can't do it.

Actually......you can......really easy.....

Its called Convert. With the right build (meaning getting back 6 mp per tick refresh outside of abyssea) you can recover every bit of mp you used in a fight, and while maintaining that 6 mp per tick refresh, can ride out the 10 minutes using the same avatar without even blinking an eye.

Also, in case you do need mp again, there is elemental siphon for those who can't get +6 Refresh.

And inside Abyssea? You wouldn't run out of mp at all.

MP is not the issue here. It is Dallas's claim that he can out damage everyone that is the issue. Don't take it personally Al, it is not you that they are attacking, it is Dallas.

[Razushu]

1) Yes, it does give more MP, and
2) there is no "true" SMN playstyle. You're welcome to play however you want,

Most of what Dallas says is nonsense, but I'm sorry, SMN cannot recover the amount of MP Myrkr can give through refresh and Siphon alone. These are not "lies." I challenge you to recover 1500 MP in less than 2 minutes without using ethers. You can't do it.

Even if it didn't give more MP (it does), that's not the point. The point is it allows both you and your avatar to fight continously, without running out of MP, which is the whole point of the strategy.

1) I'm sorry, But I have already more than I can use from perp/refresh set and a sublimation /siphon. I can't recover that much in 2 minutes, but heres a challenge for you.... need that amount of MP. Full timing my perp/refresh set I save 240 MP a minute and gain an additional 40 which is a net gain of 280MP a minute so yes it would take me 5 minutes to gain back 1400MP. Sure melee gives back more MP than is needed, but if it's not needed what's the point. If the point is to maintain MP theres no real difference in more MP than i can use vs more MP than i can use.

2) There really, really is each job in this game is designed to have certain roles, I'm not denying that any job not designed to melee can gear up to improve it's melee. They all can, but whats the point if you're meleeing alongside the avatar the party loses your buffs and support job utility, if you're meleeing the goal is to maximise your personal damage so the best you can give a party is the buffs from the current avatar and if you're relliant on melee for MP then you can't really stop to support the party and keep the avatar out let alone keep up the BP damage.

For the over 9000th time, no one is trying to beat a WAR with his weapon. They are simply trying to improve over what they were capable of before.

Melee is more of a side grade than an improvement. Sure you do more damage personally but you lose out on the ability to buff properly and be a decent support role character.

[Aurara]

People dont do AV anymore? I certainly do, you're saying people don't do Odin anymore? Well i just did Odin 3 days ago and we had TWO smn! Granted people don't do khim or cerb really, but my statement still stands that SMN were great for those fights.

[Alhanelem]

People dont do AV anymore?

There is no reason to do AV anymore. His drops became basically obsolete soon after they became obtainable.

Does someone do it once in a while for fun? I'm sure. But not outside of that.

Also, I'm pretty sure no other job in the game is wanted solely for its 2-hour. Thanks for the SMN praise, but no one should be proud of their only desirable point being an ability that requires no thought process to use and ignores 99% of everything else their job has.

Im not saying the staff is useless im just saying (like with ageis) it could use a boost. Is that too much to ask?

I'm certainly not going to complain if more stats are added, but I also don't feel it is necessary. I do not want it turned into just another mage staff. It is special because of its differences.

can any of this usefulness be conpared to the usefulness of a war having a ukko: no way in hell.

For the over 9000th time, no one is trying to beat a WAR with his weapon. They are simply trying to improve over what they were capable of before.

Summoner's biggest problem is being locked down by the blood pact timer. Until something is done about that, no stat on any piece of gear can solve it's current problems.

[Aurara]

There is no reason to do AV anymore. His drops became basically obsolete soon after they became obtainable.

Does someone do it once in a while for fun? I'm sure. But not outside of that.

Lol, no. N.sash is still awesome, Mars' ring is still somewhat useful. Minerva's ring, 8% MDT in one slot is amazing. Aureole, best m.acc ranged still. Rod is neat. Bellona's is still good. GKT is worthless. But you can still sell them, so idk about you but i like making money :0

[Darkwizardzin]

For the over 9000th time, no one is trying to beat a WAR with his weapon. They are simply trying to improve over what they were capable of before.

Im not saying anyone is trying to beat a war with his weapon.... im saying that the damage increase that wars got because of the emp isn't equal to the bounses that blm, smn and sch got with there emp (not saying SE has to make everything perfect but the gap in usefulness of the 2 weapons imo is large :/ )

SE has done this before with weapons like these: look at how the blm mythic turned out. Im just saying they need to make these high end weapons worth there value for every job... not just a few.

[Korpg]

Also, I'm pretty sure no other job in the game is wanted solely for its 2-hour.

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