Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Greatguardian]

There's nothing wrong with Random Question Threads. If you're going to warn and ban people over these, then you're a**holes. Go to any other forum, including this one. You'll see random questions all over the place. But do you see anyone hating them for it, or calling for them to be banned? No.

The last time I was there, there was no such area. The BG community is extremely hostile to anyone that isn't as elite as they are. And before you ask, no, I haven't been banned from BG. But if you're going to ban people, just ban them. The whole thing where they change the banned user's avatar to some psychadelic anime dude shaking baby rattles is completely unnecessary, no matter how much they deserved being banned.

If you didn't skip over the discussion you'd have your answer. You either melee or you don't. If you're a caster mage and you're meleeing, you're still going to be casting your spells, so there's the "supplemental" damage you're talking about. If you're a SMN, you're not casting any spells the vast majority of the time, thus you have the free time to up your "supplemental" damage even more. But for most casters, what with frequent spell casts and typical usage of elemental staves which can't be switched without losing TP and have low DMG ratings anyway, meleeing has no useful function. Summoner with an empy/mythic/relic staff gets away with this because they are using a weapon built for attacking, and do not spend nearly as much time casting spells and such, and their WS (relic or empy) gives them back MP.

How long ago did you even surf BG? Sounds like 2006-2008 era bullcrap, which even BG hated. There's a reason BG purged a hell of a lot of posters, and a lot of other resident assholes stopped posting altogether. Most of the remaining regular posters are nice, well spoken, and have no real qualms answering questions.

The Random Question Thread has existed for years now, too, so that would support the notion that you really haven't surfed it anywhere near recently. The only BG posters I can think of off the top of my head still posting on this site are myself, Karbuncle, Raenryong, Byrthnoth, HFXnumbers, and Tamoa. I dare say I'm easily the most hostile of all of them, and even then only if someone really pushes the wrong buttons. I have no qualms teaching anyone with a willingness to learn, and I dare say the majority of BG doesn't either. We are simply jaded from dealing with people who don't want to learn for years and years.

Most of the people who come on here and rant about the evils of BG tend to be people who registered, made a new thread in the FFXI: Advanced section without reading any of the stickies, asked a question that 10 seconds on wiki or google could answer (without showing that they even tried to look first, eg: What is Penta Thrust's WSC mod gaiz?), and then started screaming at people when they called them out for asking stupid questions, followed by a swift ban.

Conduct yourself responsibly and BG is easily the single best source of FFXI-related information on the internet.

[Raksha]

The last time I was there, there was no such area.

The 2nd generation of the Random question thread (the first one appears to have been swallowed) was created 07-06-2009

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/778...uestion-Thread

No one ever gets banned for asking a question in the RQT. I'm all for martyr complexes, but BG hate is just silly.

[Azagthoth]

You say it's okay to have a random question thread, but then you can't warn people to post questions in the proper place? That doesn't make any sense. Why would you even have a random question thread if you're not going to make people use it? It keeps the forum clean and it keeps relevant, current threads, on the first page. If you don't follow forum rules you'll get warned/banned here too.

There will always be people that will put on the asshole facade regardless of what you post. Either get used to it or quit the interent.

[Greatguardian]

The 2nd generation of the Random question thread (the first one appears to have been swallowed) was created 07-06-2009

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/778...uestion-Thread

No one ever gets banned for asking a question in the RQT. I'm all for martyr complexes, but BG hate is just silly.

Yeah. The original RQT existed in FFXI: Standard, circa 2007-2008 I think? When Standard was merged into Advanced, it was remade there.

Trolling is also strictly prohibited in the RQT. People straight up aren't allowed to give you crap for asking questions in the question thread. The only time that really happens are when the question-askers start a fight first, which is rare but does happen. Generally you don't want to come in asking for help while simultaneously insulting the people you expect to help you.

[Dallas]

I'm all for martyr complexes, but BG hate is just silly.

You will appreciate this stupid picture:

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Melee_Summoner

No forum is responsible for churning out more incompetent SMN than BG.

[Greatguardian]

That picture is hilarious and you should feel bad for trying to make fun of it.

But you should feel good for bringing it to our attention because, as I said, it is hilarious.

[Korpg]

Except that you get 0 MP from that WS so you'd have to make all those same concessions in gear, subjobs, and atma that the "do nothing" crowd does. You won't be meleeing well, and your pet will be using magic pacts. Magic atma will suck for DOT, phys atma will suck for BP. Outside Abyssea, the gimp factor is much less noticable.

OMG you are so narrow minded.

Look noob (and yes, you fit in the profile of a noob now for lack of learning ability) you don't need the accuracy gear needed to keep avatars out while swinging a staff and getting TP back. You don't need MP back from a WS to keep the avatar out, because you would be rocking at 6 mp per tick refresh even outside of abyssea.

You wouldn't need Minkin in there either, because there would be enough refresh on hand to not only keep the avatar out, but continue to BP with that avatar.

You wouldn't be limited to a 0 damage WS for aftermaths either, because that is not how the mythic works, and you don't need the mp because you are still sitting with a 6 mp per tick refresh all the time even outside of Abyssea. And guess what? MAB+30 on the staff for the avatars? Guess you don't need any mage atmas either now to do outstanding damage with merited blood pacts. Oh, and lets not forget, you also get Spirit Taker for the few times you might need mp back, but you can do it at any % above 100 instead of waiting for 300% so you can have an occasionally does double damage aftermath from emp weapons. But yeah, lets see here, inside Abyssea you can put out 2k Retributions or 0 damage Myrkrs. I wonder which one would do better damage over time?

But you know what, you just stated something I don't think you meant to state. You just admitted that Physical Atmas suck for BPs. So, you have physical atmas just to boost your damage up then? Screw the avatar, its all about the summoner doing damage now?

[Alhanelem]

You just admitted that Physical Atmas suck for BPs.

I'm all for making Dallas look bad, but this is nonsense. DD atmas work wonders for predator claws.

Abyssea you can put out 2k Retributions or 0 damage Myrkrs. I wonder which one would do better damage over time?

You will easily pull out that much damage in double damage hits with the aftermath. Maybe not QUITE that much, but it will add a sginificant amount of damage, enough to make worth using a WS that gives you some indirect damage and 1k+ MP back vs one that does a little more damage and gives you nothing.

and 2k on retribution is being pretty generous. Usually you will do far less than that.

Dude. Just add Dallas to your ignore list. That will make this thread much less stressful for you.

Sounds like 2006-2008 era bullcrap,

I don't visit it unless linked to a thread there anymore; it's possible that conditions there have improved, but I haven't seen evidence of that. For me, it started when commenting in a thread that I was going for Claustrum in a relic weapon thread. That went downhill extremely fast as I was torn limb form limb at even the thought of trying to get a relic staff. Eventually they labeled the forum rank for newer posters "Melee SMN" because of this. Later, BG forumers would find photographs of a cosplay costume of mine and photoshopped it to ridicule me further. Ever since, I have come to view BG as essentially the bowels of the internet where elitism and immaturity and bandwagoning know no bounds.

At least you've acknowledged there was a time when BG was a pretty sh***y place to be for a non-elitist.

[TybudX]

So that picture Dallas posted is you? Was that taken at ComiCon or something? I don't know how these things work.

[Neisan_Quetz]

lolclaustrum.