Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Leonlionheart]

PLD cannot cap Cure potency. SMN is slightly behind SCH as the second best healer behind WHM. SMN is a better healer than RDM. Just saying.

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Woah, no way. BLU cures can reach 1k with a sch in the party BLU totally beats everyone but WHM at healing.

[Greatguardian]

Woah, no way. BLU cures can reach 1k with a sch in the party BLU totally beats everyone but WHM at healing.

What's a BLU?

[Dallas]

I love that the gold standard for SMN healing is cure potency capped and Cure 4, which requires /WHM. What's the fast cast on this loser of a setup?

[Alhanelem]

I don't know, but both RDM and SCH can easily beat a SMN in curing speed. And they don't need a subjob to give them their cures.

[Dallas]

It's interesting that anyone would bother wearing cure potency as SMN. Did they just macro swap OUT their -perp gear? Not only do they have the slowest Cure 4 in existence, they paid 10-20 MP more for their avatar to cast Cure 4. That's not something I'd brag about either.

[Azagthoth]

Don't worry, you'll be able to cast Cure IV with RDM sub at level 96 for all of your curing needs.

[Razushu]

I hope you wouldn't party with any summoner at all then, because being a melee SMN doesn't prevent you from using your support abilities (in fact, it encourages it), and allows you to do more damage than you could otherwise- BP and release is terrible, spamming crappy cures when other jobs can do better is terrible. Unless you are putting yourself or someone else in serious jepoardy, this setup benefits everyone. SMN is useful to have. The melee strategy expands on its capabilities, allowing it to do more unless the situation prohibits it. And those situations do exist- I'm not about to tell you you can do it on everything. But where it can be done, it works very well. So be a little more open minded.

A SMN meleeing is totally different from a SCH meleeing. SCH has no pet doing damage with it, has to stop attacking to cast spells with lengthy cast times, and has the worst skill in its highest weapon of any job. A SCH also has the most powerful DoT spells in the game- it doesn't need to add more to its DoT.

What Zumi fails to mention about WoW is that many wands and staves in WoW deal respectable, ranged elemental (not physical) damage. It's usually not the best thing you can do, but you can often obtain wands that inflict a different damage type than you are usually capable of.

BOTTOM LINE: Open your bleepin' minds, think outside the box, and realize your potential, no matter what you're playing!

I like you you argue logically. I've always seen the opposite meleeing on a job that has support functions means you still have to pick. I watched a RDM/NIN meleeing in a party on full MP let my SAM brother 3 because he refused to help heals because "he was there to melee". there's really no room for my style of SMN and melee SMN at the same time I'm too busy lol just as SMN melee would keep you. I get 20 secs free time a minute which I'll use on anything that seems useful throwing out a regen or cure, remove a debuff etc. when you add in the fact I nigh constantly switch staffs TP becomes and issue. I've said it before if you like melee go for it it CAN add to a party, I just feel support SMN is more bebeficial and safer lol. I do think outside the box. I played my SMN as a great main heal at 75 my avatars were an integral part of my role here(so I wasn't jsut a gimp whm) not because I was forced to but because my friends were trying to PT and there was no healer's available, but then I also started leveling WHM after this for next time.

Pet Damage is independant from SMN melee though and SCH got some nice toys for melee/nuking since 75. WE don't need to add more to our DoT either we add enough to a party without it. for everyone who waants to melee go for it theres lots of cases where an job is play counter to it's design and it can work, but try not to be like certain players and ignore SMNs's designed function and what it can excell at.

[Korpg]

I like you you argue logically. I've always seen the opposite meleeing on a job that has support functions means you still have to pick. I watched a RDM/NIN meleeing in a party on full MP let my SAM brother 3 because he refused to help heals because "he was there to melee". there's really no room for my style of SMN and melee SMN at the same time I'm too busy lol just as SMN melee would keep you. I get 20 secs free time a minute which I'll use on anything that seems useful throwing out a regen or cure, remove a debuff etc. when you add in the fact I nigh constantly switch staffs TP becomes and issue. I've said it before if you like melee go for it it CAN add to a party, I just feel support SMN is more bebeficial and safer lol. I do think outside the box. I played my SMN as a great main heal at 75 my avatars were an integral part of my role here(so I wasn't jsut a gimp whm) not because I was forced to but because my friends were trying to PT and there was no healer's available, but then I also started leveling WHM after this for next time.

Pet Damage is independant from SMN melee though and SCH got some nice toys for melee/nuking since 75. WE don't need to add more to our DoT either we add enough to a party without it. for everyone who waants to melee go for it theres lots of cases where an job is play counter to it's design and it can work, but try not to be like certain players and ignore SMNs's designed function and what it can excell at.

Don't worry, I'm with you on your argument, but I have melee'd a couple of times when I'm soloing as SMN in Abyssea, only to get blue procs and then gtfo. But I was able to keep the damage up from blood pacts constantly. Did that lower my TP gain rate? Yes. And I switch staves for BPs also, so I had to keep my BP staff in satchel while I was meleeing.

But Al's method of keeping avatars out isn't unrealistic, its plausible, abet more dangerous for him to do. And there are still some NMs I wouldn't melee at all, even if I wanted blue. His method only works for group settings, and most people don't like seeing a SMN melee at all.

[Sparthos]

What's a BLU?

One of the top tier jobs in Abyssea.

[Dallas]

there's really no room for my style of SMN and melee SMN at the same time I'm too busy

Don't bother until you level your staff and get something better than Fay Crozier. You don't need to go around embarassing yourself in front of people that know you.