Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Dallas]

Where's Dallas exclaiming the only thing he replaces are Ukons.

I replace incompetent SMN. It just so happens those SMN have all agreed to a uniform 2nd grade reading level.

[Alhanelem]

I really don't know a ton about smn, but with a dnc i think that haste samba>35 dmg per hit :x

And Hastega > haste samba. What's your point? SMN can give more than one buff at a time...

Also, enspell damage helps 1h weapons (and multi-attacking) far more than 2h weapons. 35 extra damage on every hit, especially when you are using DW daggers or swords, is a lot. Throw in a kraken club, joytoy, ridill, or magian OAT weapon for extra fun.

I replace incompetent SMN. It just so happens those SMN have all agreed to a uniform 2nd grade reading level.

You're really not doing the SMN community any favors posting like this right now. That's all I have to say on that. If you want to argue a decent case, you need to go about it better than attacking and alienating the very group of people you're trying to get the attention of.

[Aurara]

And Hastega > haste samba. What's your point? SMN can give more than one buff at a time...

You're wrong here. 100% completely wrong. Haste samba>Hastega. I can get a mage to haste me and get the same benefit.

Edit: took out the quite that wasnt for me, but i still feel you aren't making smn look any better.

[Leonlionheart]

And Hastega > haste samba. What's your point? SMN can give more than one buff at a time...

Also, enspell damage helps 1h weapons (and multi-attacking) far more than 2h weapons. 35 extra damage on every hit, especially when you are using DW daggers or swords, is a lot. Throw in a kraken club, joytoy, ridill, or magian OAT weapon for extra fun.

You're really not doing the SMN community any favors posting like this right now. That's all I have to say on that. If you want to argue a decent case, you need to go about it better than attacking and alienating the very group of people you're trying to get the attention of.

Hastega is the same haste as haste spell, and is magic haste.

Haste samba is the only way for jobs other than DRK to truly cap haste, as without it the highest you can get is 78% (Marchx2(+3) Haste spell caps magic haste (43.4%), 26% shown gear haste caps gear haste (25%) hasso gives 10% job ability haste (totaling 78.3% roughly) requiring anyone /dnc to cap haste.

So Haste Samba can be incredibly important because that 2% at that high numbers is like 20 more attacks per 100 rounds or something.

And that's why Haste Samba is better than hastega, since your WHM should be giving you haste anyway.

Oa2+ weaposn are pretty fail too, since they deal significantly low damage at the cost of feeding high TP. The TP:WS ratio does not make up for it in 90% of cases, where certain RNGs and DRKs make up the other 10%.

[Dallas]

LOL. The "feeding the mob TP" excuse.

[Leonlionheart]

LOL. The "feeding the mob TP" excuse.

This can be a huge problem on tons of NMs (See Apademak, Pantokrator, Orthrus) in Abyssea and even more so in Voidwatch, if you're going to try to deny that you should at least explain yourself.

[Dallas]

This can be a huge problem on tons of NMs (See Apademak, Pantokrator, Orthrus) in Abyssea and even more so in Voidwatch, if you're going to try to deny that you should at least explain yourself.

Next you are going to tell us that some mobs you shouldn't melee because they absorb physical damage. It's funnier every time it's said.

[Alhanelem]

You're wrong here. 100% completely wrong. Haste samba>Hastega. I can get a mage to haste me and get the same benefit.

I'm right here. 100% completely right. Haste > Haste samba. Haste = 15%. Haste samba = 10% if fully merited. Can you stack them? Yes, you can. But that doesn't mean that one isn't stronger than the other. SMN is that mage that can haste you- in fact, haste all of you at the same time, for less effort and less need to recast, since Hastega has a longer duration. Also, Haste samba only benefits meleeing. Hastega benefits everyone at all times.

If I'm on summoner, why would I want someone else to haste me and 5 other people one at a time when I can just do it all at once? Your logic is just plain baffling.

Leonlionheart I am fully aware of how haste works. I am fully aware that spell haste and haste samba stack That doesn't make Haste Samba magically more haste than Hastega. If for some wild and crazy reason you actually have a summoner with you, there is no reason in the universe for someone to be casting single target haste when hastega is available- since the point that I believe is attempting to be made here is that the spell Haste is easily accessible through many jobs from either main or sub. That's fine and all. But the first poster I quoted made a driect comparison between the spell Haste and the ability haste samba. Individually, the spell haste is clearly far superior. If you have to choose one or the other, Haste is the way to go. It is simply not possible to argue otherwise.

And that's why Haste Samba is better than hastega, since your WHM should be giving you haste anyway.

No, the WHM should not be giving you haste anyway, you're a summoner, and you have a haste of the same effect and longer duraiton that also hits everyone at once. Hastega is 100% unequivocally superior to haste samba. Saying "the WHM should be giving haste anyway" doesn't change the fact that haste is a stronger effect than haste samba. 15% and affects everything > 10% and only affects melee. Obviously both is better than one or the other or none. But stop acting like hastega and haste are like two different things or something. One is AoE and the other one isn't. That's all there really is to it. A summoner using Hastega greatly simplifies the haste process. Why do more work when you can do less? I guess you're trying to argue that Samba is better than hastega because haste and hastega don't stack and you're "going to have haste anyway." But if hastega is available, that should be what's being used, not single target haste. Hastega > Haste: Costs less MP in total and lasts longer.

Next you are going to tell us that some mobs you shouldn't melee because they absorb physical damage.

I read this a few times, and it got funnier every time I read it. Yes, you shouldn't melee *while the mob is absorbing* because it is absorbing.

[Leonlionheart]

Next you are going to tell us that some mobs you shouldn't melee because they absorb physical damage. It's funnier every time it's said.

So you have no reply to my question, you must be a politician or something.

You have no answer. Good to know you are incompetent and can't support your claims, makes ignoring you that much easier.

[Leonlionheart]

I'm right here. 100% completely right. Haste > Haste samba. Haste = 15%. Haste samba = 10% if fully merited. Can you stack them? Yes, you can. But that doesn't mean that one isn't stronger than the other. SMN is that mage that can haste you- in fact, haste all of you at the same time, for less effort and less need to recast, since Hastega has a longer duration. Also, Haste samba only benefits meleeing. Hastega benefits everyone at all times.

If I'm on summoner, why would I want someone else to haste me and 5 other people one at a time when I can just do it all at once? Your logic is just plain baffling.

Leonlionheart I am fully aware of how haste works. I am fully aware that spell haste and haste samba stack That doesn't make Haste Samba magically more haste than Hastega. If for some wild and crazy reason you actually have a summoner with you, there is no reason in the universe for someone to be casting single target haste when hastega is available- since the point that I believe is attempting to be made here is that the spell Haste is easily accessible through many jobs from either main or sub. That's fine and all. But the first poster I quoted made a driect comparison between the spell Haste and the ability haste samba. Individually, the spell haste is clearly far superior. If you have to choose one or the other, Haste is the way to go. It is simply not possible to argue otherwise.

No, the WHM should not be giving you haste anyway, you're a summoner, and you have a haste of the same effect and longer duraiton that also hits everyone at once. Hastega is 100% unequivocally superior to haste samba. Saying "the WHM should be giving haste anyway" doesn't change the fact that haste is a stronger effect than haste samba. 15% and affects everything > 10% and only affects melee. Obviously both is better than one or the other or none. But stop acting like hastega and haste are like two different things or something. One is AoE and the other one isn't. That's all there really is to it. A summoner using Hastega greatly simplifies the haste process. Why do more work when you can do less? I guess you're trying to argue that Samba is better than hastega because haste and hastega don't stack and you're "going to have haste anyway." But if hastega is available, that should be what's being used, not single target haste. Hastega > Haste: Costs less MP in total and lasts longer.

I read this a few times, and it got funnier every time I read it. Yes, you shouldn't melee *while the mob is absorbing* because it is absorbing.

Haste Samba is better because it's a source of haste that can't be obtained otherwise. (Other than DRK)