Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[TybudX]

Well, it IS about efficency

Holy ****. You are amazingly unaware.

I "vailiantly defend" the melee strategy because it works. Total damage output increases

Total damage increases even more if you play a real DD job. You can have one (pick one, there is quite literally 19 of them that are better than yours) at level 90 in a couple days, tops.

[Alhanelem]

fixed for accuracy

Not accurate. See my post for most accurate version. It does add something to the job. It's not a begin-all-end-all strategy appropriate for every situation under the sun. It does, however, make you more effective when you are able to use it.

Give it up, and open your da*n mind.

Holy ****. You are amazingly unaware.

No, I'm not. You are not less efficient when you use this strategy.

Until you've gotten an empy weapon or relic and done it for yourself, stop talking. You don't know what you're talking about. We are talking about a completely viable tactic that improves Summoner's damage-dealing capability. It's not the best. No, i'ts not. No one said it was. It can't be used for absolutely everything. No one said it could be. It is however an improvement for the summoner itself. And I will be here defending it until the day you see it.

[Greatguardian]

There is a huge difference between "It's not the best" and "It's pretty much the absolute worst but that's still viable because FFXI is an easy game where I can be the absolute worst and still win".

Edit: Or, "It's pretty much the absolute worst, but that's still viable because my group can already kill the monster without me, so absolutely any tangible increase in damage I bring can be said to do something."

[Korpg]

No, I'm not. You are not less efficient when you use this strategy.

Until you've gotten an empy weapon or relic and done it for yourself, stop talking. You don't know what you're talking about. We are talking about a completely viable tactic that improves Summoner's damage-dealing capability. It's not the best. No, i'ts not. No one said it was. It can't be used for absolutely everything. No one said it could be. It is however an improvement for the summoner itself. And I will be here defending it until the day you see it.

You are not more efficient when you melee either.

You are adding damage but also adding the need for cures or raises. You are adding DoT but also adding more risk for the tank. You are adding MP but the other method doesn't need MP as much as you do.

Also, Dallas said that Emp Staff melee SMN outdamages Ukon WARs. So yeah, he did say that SMN damage is best.

I don't see it as an improvement as a SMN, but another method to play SMN now. And every post you make today makes you sound a lot like Dallas each time.

[Bumbeen]

So looks like it's over then?

Bravo!

[TybudX]

Until you've gotten an empy weapon or relic and done it for yourself, stop talking

First, and again, lo-f'inng-l. I have Empy staff on two of my mules strictly from all the excess pops I gathered from farming other stuff. Second, I do have real relics, ones that are useful to more than my SMN epeent. You call other people elitist? You are the most elitist person in this thread, period.

Third, as I said before, show me your melee SMN out-DDing a SMN/BLM spamming 1k tier II nukes every 12 seconds, while maintaining good Avatar damage, buffs, and MP. You can't. Your strategy is so poor that even a nuking SMN is going to do more damage than you. So what is your point now?

[Alhanelem]

"It's pretty much the absolute worst but that's still viable because FFXI is an easy game where I can be the absolute worst and still win".

If that were the case, I would agree. but it's not. It is far from "pretty much the absolute worst." That would imply that this is inferior to just using the old BP+release method. It's not.

It is viable and useful to summoners. It is an improvement over not doing it. If you want to argue that SMN sucks in general, that's fine, go ahead. But it's absolutely unequivocally still a good strategy which increases your damage output.

[Alhanelem]

You call other people elitist? You are the most elitist person in this thread, period.

You have got to be kidding me. I'm the least elitist person here. I'm not saying this is the most amazing thing in the universe. I'm not saying or pretending I'm better than anyone or even trying to be? HOW THE HELL AM I ELITIST?

THis has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with epeen. this is purely about an alternative playstyle which can have some benefits when you are able to take advantage of them. I have not bragged, I have not gloated, I have not done anything that is in any way elitist in this thread.

I have Empy staff on two of my mules strictly from all the excess pops I gathered from farming other stuff.

Bee-flipping Ess.

pamming 1k tier II nukes every 12 seconds, while maintaining good Avatar damage, buffs, and MP. You can't.

Two melee swings can do that much damage in abyssea, which is the only place where you can do 1k nukes on a subjob and maybe not resist. And two melee swings don't take 12 seconds.

You don't have to do this if you don't want to. You're not a horrible summoner if you don't. But don't go around saying this is the worst thing ever, because it's not. Is it the best thing ever? NO, IT'S NOT. I completely 100% agree with that. Is it the worst thing ever? Hell no. It's not.

[Bumbeen]

You elitist trash you!

[Greatguardian]

If that were the case, I would agree. but it's not. It is far from "pretty much the absolute worst." That would imply that this is inferior to just using the old BP+release method. It's not.

It is viable and useful to summoners. It is an improvement over not doing it. If you want to argue that SMN sucks in general, that's fine, go ahead. But it's absolutely unequivocally still a good strategy which increases your damage output.

You're talking about Melee vs BP (this post, at least). I'm talking about SMN vs ... not-SMN. I'm saying that regardless of the increase you get from Mykrr, SMN is still absolute bottom of the barrel crap compared to every other job in the game on the damage scale.

Summoner is only viable in the sense that you're not going to cause a wipe if the group was already able to win. Can WAR + WHM duo Orthrus? Yes. Can WAR + WHM + SMN trio Orthrus? Yes. But can WAR + SMN duo Orthrus? No. Can WHM + SMN duo Orthrus? No. Not viable.