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    Player Alaik's Avatar
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    The only improvement I could have seen is forming the request as a question. "Would you please let Nazuna kill Colibris?"

    Americans (At least in smaller communities in the northwest and south, can't say for areas I have not lived in) typically ask you to do something, then depending, act upon it.

    For example; A good boss might remind someone about incorrectly filing their paperwork by saying, "Hey, would you mind making sure you put X file in Y place? Thanks!"

    Whereas if the same boss said, "Put X file in Y place." it can come off as rude.

    Please, thank you, not being demanding and acknowledging people are world wide I think.

    Your English is very good OP, also, I'll try my hand at JP and say.

    ありがとうございます。

    Politeness is always appreciated.
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    Thank you all for many reply!

    The reason that I asked these questions is telling my Japanese friends how to ask to English people in those situations. (Especially around ??? in Abysea!).

    I've heard complain many times like "Selfish Gaijin occupied ??? and we couldn't fight to NM" or someting.
    (And I think English people feel Japanese party as rude, tring to cut in without asking anything.)

    But, in my experience, just "take turn please?", always works.
    English speaking people always willingly comply with my wish, and we play peacefully around ??? in turn.

    Yes, I know my English is understandable.
    But I didn't feel sure, that my expression is not just "understandable" but it is suitable and enough polite.

    Now I understand my phrases are OK, so I'll tell my Japanese friends how to say these situations.

    I think most Japanese can use "Take turn please".
    (You know Japanese learn English from Junior High school...but somehow most Japanese little understand Engish, only understand some easy English words. But this phrase consists of these easy words that Japanese understand.)

    I think "Please let (my pet name) kill (monster name)", is rather difficult than "Take turn please" but some Japanese can use this phrase. It becomes a good top for pet jobs like BST.

    These phrased will redue needless friction and tension!

    Thank you again for reply.
    I'll ask somethig again when I find other "comunication trouble" between Japanese people and English speaking people.
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    (You know Japanese learn English from Junior High school...but somehow most Japanese little understand Engish, only understand some easy English words. But this phrase consists of these easy words that Japanese understand.)
    It's true, many people think you all become fluent in the language or something in grade school. But the truth is it's not much different from us. Many of our schools require us to go to class for a different language (Usually, French, German, or Spanish). But very few of us really learn those languages to an expert level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakura317 View Post
    (You know Japanese learn English from Junior High school...but somehow most Japanese little understand Engish, only understand some easy English words. But this phrase consists of these easy words that Japanese understand.)
    I took 4 years of spanish in high school and I still can't speak spanish worth a flip, so that's a fairly universal occurrence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    It's true, many people think you all become fluent in the language or something in grade school. But the truth is it's not much different from us. Many of our schools require us to go to class for a different language (Usually, French, German, or Spanish). But very few of us really learn those languages to an expert level.
    Actually, I don't think any American actually learns a foreign language in a beginner's level. Usually Language classes (at least in the state of Texas) are "blowoff" classes. Even in college, I don't think anyone really can remember their language class enough to be understandable in the native setting.

    I think that the OP has a better understanding of English than most people in the world has of foreign languages.
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    It depends on how much attention you paid. Many schools have started offering foreign languages earlier and earlier. If someone wants to be, they can become at least moderately capable by the time they get out of high school- at least able to understand others if not able to command it oneself.

    But since it's usually not mandated, few people do.
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    They should mandate it as early as 1st grade if they really want people to learn a different language.
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    I just had to teach a japanese friend how to say "My pet needs to get the last hit for trial credit, please." today.

    English people,"tugi ikimasu(次tugiいきますikimasu)" means something like next please, but get ready to be ignored until they give us access to ATOK or IME or something.

    Net games are supposed to be chaotic, look at Lineage where you just PK people you don't agree with lol. Personally, i'm a nice player but I don't mind competition or people wanting to pop ??? multiple times. I usually ask, and if no response I go battle for the ???. Some people just refuse to be fair. 困難は徳の基, yeah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpg View Post
    Actually, I don't think any American actually learns a foreign language in a beginner's level. Usually Language classes (at least in the state of Texas) are "blowoff" classes. Even in college, I don't think anyone really can remember their language class enough to be understandable in the native setting.

    I think that the OP has a better understanding of English than most people in the world has of foreign languages.
    Many people in europe are fairly good at English, especially those from medium sized countries. At least in the scandinavian countries, we start learning English at around the age of 9. I guess being constantly bombarded with english-speaking television and movies also helps. Dubbing isn't common outside of france, germany, and italy.

    Of course, you are probably still correct in the "most people in the world" statement, considering how many illiterates you'll find in developing countries
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    i have never had a problem understanding a japanese player speakin in limited english somehow. What i usually have had issues with is the trying to communicate to the japanese thing. Usually when trying to speak to them I get no reply whatsoever. Id appreciate anything even if they say soemthing in japanese and its all jibberish to me over being completely ignored lol.

    yesterday tho ran into this same situation where we were trying to pop a ??? nm and the other group was japanese. they wouldnt reply to us at all and kept poppin the nm ASAP. We asked to take turns and they ignored us still. So naturally we start competing for the ??? if that is how they are goin to be. we managed to get the next two nms and our mages started to die. the mages claimed the japanese group brought the regular mobs over to MPK them, but as i couldnt see that while focusing on fighting the nm and they were magic agroing mobs I cannot guarantee that was what happened. After a couple more nms the group finally replied to our take turns request with "(Do you speak japanese?)." Well no we don't but we tried various ways of using autotranslate and jsut plain english to communicate but nothing seemed to work. The japanese group got the three next nms and left.

    So my question is what is the best way for english speakers to ask japanese for turns? We didnt use the phrase "take turn please?" but used a few very close to that. Like i said ive rarely had a problem understanding the japanese using limited english to communicate, its always been the other way around for me.

    Its like how when you need someone to pull mobs for experience group and "Fisherman" works for most japanese but not all of them get that.
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