Why is Summoner the most ignored, misunderstood and broken job?

[Razushu]

Think of most SMN as a large pile of SAM who never melee, and only use a WS when Meditate is up. It's not SE's fault that the playerbase chooses to be gimp.

Raz, yes, SE made the best staff for the best players.

Yeah it's called Nirvana. There's no such thing as a SAM who doesn't melee(unless they're /RNG on something like the ACP boss). That analogy doesn't work as SAM is supposed to melee. If you look at it like this, if a SAM /WHM and insisted they could main heal and should be accepted as such. This is the arguement FOR SMN melee

[Dallas]

SMN aren't supposed to sit on their rears for 45 seconds. You just choose to do it.

[Razushu]

SMN aren't supposed to sit on their rears for 45 seconds. You just choose to do it.

No one sits around for 45 secs. SMN isn't supposed to sit around weakened 90% of the time either.

[Dallas]

You said yourself you don't heal and don't melee. Whatever you do, it is not in FFXI.

[Razushu]

You said yourself you don't heal and don't melee. Whatever you do, it is not in FFXI.

When did I say I don't heal? Between BPs ward and rage I back up the party and help it go smoother with my Subjob abilities. Which includes healing, removing debuffs etc. not waiting for raise after my 3rd death on an NM.

[Miera]

Sorry but I have to admit that after you got to comparing PUP to SMN I lost interest.

These jobs are completely different from each other and any SMN who wants to melee needs to be Tarred and feathered and fed to the lions.

Want to melee? Go play MNK or something.

[DrForester]

I'd like to see the strength of SMN's increased during melee. BP damage is good, but the performance of the avatars in between those BP's are pathetic.

[Razushu]

I'd like to see the strength of SMN's increased during melee. BP damage is good, but the performance of the avatars in between those BP's are pathetic.

If the new ability is good enough Avatar's weak melee may not really matter any more

[Neonii]

I'd like to see the strength of SMN's increased during melee. BP damage is good, but the performance of the avatars in between those BP's are pathetic.

What he said.

[Korpg]

I'd like to see the strength of SMN's increased during melee. BP damage is good, but the performance of the avatars in between those BP's are pathetic.

They do about as much damage as a MNK without any good gloves on. Like Destroyers or such. Plus, the damage done between BPs are blunt damage anyway, so the avatars melee like a BLM without a staff, but with good H2H skill.

Only sad thing is that the avatar swings faster than a melee SMN. Unless the melee SMN would only haste themselves (not use Garuda's Hastaga). Avatars are also more accurate and hits harder than a melee SMN too. Unless you have emp staff, then the ODD swings edge out the avatars barely.

Not comparable to a Ukon WAR though.

Want to melee? Go play MNK or something.