Why is Summoner the most ignored, misunderstood and broken job?

[Evilvivi]

Completely pointless argument when the subpar SMN arms himself to the teeth in -hp gear.

I would really like to know what -hp gear a smn would use. Please hum- I mean enlighten me please.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You have the worst HP pool of any mage was the point I was trying to clarify over Mala stating smn hp shouldn't be considered if you think smn is a backline job and that taru should be a backline race. But I digress since you're not even comparing the same thing. Aside from blm using sorc ring any race on Smn will have less hp than said race on any other job. If actually trying to DD through melee you would be subbing Sam, if not you're subbing a mage job and/or /war for procs or something and unless it's some weak mob/has no AoEs period you're better off supporting from the back. You (Dallas) yourself admitted you die from the damage you deal meleeing so at that point you're just being a detriment to the group/you need better melee/healers.

EDIT: Even then blm still has manawall/enmity douse disregarding sub since most blms won't be meleeing.

[Dallas]

You (Dallas) yourself admitted you die from the damage you deal meleeing so at that point you're just being a detriment to the group/you need better melee/healers.

Don't quote me without understanding what you are quoting. The ONLY thing that can't keep hate off me is my avatar. Real tanks can still tank. I have broken SMN, nothing else. I wear -enmity because the job is capped in solo potential ONLY by the terrible performance of our pets. With a minor sacrifice in accuracy/attack (which don't affect my performance much), I can deal 60% more damage than my pets and still function. Yes, I still pull hate because I am that much better than my pets.

And some of you only use those terrible pets...

[Razushu]

Don't quote me without understanding what you are quoting. The ONLY thing that can't keep hate off me is my avatar. Real tanks can still tank. I have broken SMN, nothing else. I wear -enmity because the job is capped in solo potential ONLY by the terrible performance of our pets. With a minor sacrifice in accuracy/attack (which don't affect my performance much), I can deal 60% more damage than my pets and still function. Yes, I still pull hate because I am that much better than my pets.

And some of you only use those terrible pets...

If you think Avatar's are that terrible you need to play SMN as a subpar DD, go level another job. Our pets aren't terrible, they're disposable spike damage dealer's not meant for DPS(only thing holding them back is BP delay timer). You've broken nothing, all you've done is say "I haz stix, I hitz things me uber!" with nothing to back it up, let alone admit melee has situational uses only. On SMN any sacrifice to acc or atk is more than minor seeing as we have pretty much none to start with. Congratulations you can pull hate off the most broken thing in the game, avatars are in need of a big fix have been since day one and they weren't even designed to be DPS. /clap

[Rezeak]

I'm gonna reply to the OP

You really don't understand Summoner at all.

SMN in abyssea can pretty much solo any mob in abyssea it takes time but still it's an impressive thing outside that it does enough DMG to get by and u can astral burn crap for boxes.

honestly theres plenty SMN can do in abyssea and yes it's not a fast DD but thats never what SMN is about.

Outside abyssea it still has it's niche as the safe/low hate DD if you have a had to handle mob (voidwatch this is the case ALOT) SMN can constantly pump DMG out meaning all the rest of the party has to do is stay alive.
still one of the most reliable method of killing crap is Tank party + SMN party.

outside this there is alot of obsolete rubbish on SMN Favors, spirits ect but forget that stuff.

honestly when i read the OP all i got from it was "O SE tell me how to play my job cause i'm too lazy to work it out or ask other useful SMNs"

[Neonii]

I'm gonna reply to the OP

You really don't understand Summoner at all.

SMN in abyssea can pretty much solo any mob in abyssea it takes time but still it's an impressive thing outside that it does enough DMG to get by and u can astral burn crap for boxes.

honestly theres plenty SMN can do in abyssea and yes it's not a fast DD but thats never what SMN is about.

Outside abyssea it still has it's niche as the safe/low hate DD if you have a had to handle mob (voidwatch this is the case ALOT) SMN can constantly pump DMG out meaning all the rest of the party has to do is stay alive.
still one of the most reliable method of killing crap is Tank party + SMN party.

outside this there is alot of obsolete rubbish on SMN Favors, spirits ect but forget that stuff.

honestly when i read the OP all i got from it was "O SE tell me how to play my job cause i'm too lazy to work it out or ask other useful SMNs"

Will you share with me how you manage to proc mobs solo in Abyssea? I can solo stuff but I have found doing the necessary procs difficult. However, I am willing to learn and improve. Care to share some of your bag of tricks? I would imagine it has to do with sub job? I prob need to level more at this time I only have whm and rdm sub leveled. In fact I think we should make a whole topic called SMN bag of tricks so the smn community can network.

[Neisan_Quetz]

CG on outmeleeing a naked blm?

[Dallas]

CG on outmeleeing a naked blm?

Congratulations on undernuking a melee RDM.

[Razushu]

Congratulations on undernuking a melee RDM.

Congrats on not understanding what SMN is

[Toukai]

I always melee as Smn in abyssea parties, working on Shareeravadi+2 for pet M.atb atm which has some decent Dmg on it. My gear aint pimped out, nothin too special, but even using M.atb Atma for shiva, I do fairly well. Pull out garuda for hastega now and then (since lets face it, not many ppl really haste/buff in aby parties) or a titan for Stoneskin, keep shiva out for ice spikes and 4.5-5kish heavenly strikes, then spirit taker for my mp. Just don't like sittin on my butt for too long, love to be in the fray.

I don't bother healing unless i think i can save a life with my lolcure III if im /rdm. If i really am just in a DD mood, /sam ftw heh. The way I see it, A job can be anything you make it out to be. Even if Smn was never "meant" to DD with the big boys, we got spirit taker, some decently high damage staves, means to keep Avatars out for a long time and boost their damage. I'm not hoping to outparse a mnk in a Dolls party but i know i've outdamaged a ton of mediocre DDs with crap Atma lol. And thats enough :3 Although I would like to see some more DD gear for smn. Gimme a haste set or somethin. Don't wanna redo my scenario gear though >.>;